Judith has just pointed out a rather major typo in my transcription
of the excerpt below - a typo that I, personally, found awfully funny :)
Interestingly enough, the typo occured in the particular word that I
found it most interesting to see Deleuze deploy in this excerpt. . . .
It is corrected here.
Michael
> Flannon Jackson was kind enough to track down and mail to me a copy
> of an interview with Gilles Deleuze from 1985 in which he discusses
> Foucault. The ostensible subject is Foucault's work with the GIP -
> the prisoner's project he was involved with for several years. But
> the short interview actually ranges over a variety of subjects,
> bringing out well both the affection and comradeship and the tension
> between Foucault and Deleuze. The passages on Foucault's way of
> thinking, on the idea of the intellectual as "functionalist," on
> "seeing" what "everybody knew" and yet was "unseen, imperceptible,"
> are ones I will think about for a long time to come, I suspect.
>
> I may post more of this later on the Foucault list, but for now I wanted
> to share the closing sentences of the interview with you.
>
> [Interviewer]: You yourself seem to have a much more fluid vision of the
> social world than Foucault. People underlined his use of architectural
> metaphors, diametrically opposed to your "fluidity."
>
> [Deleuze]: I agree totally with you. I remember we talked about this when
> Foucault published the first volume of _History of Sexuality_. I realized
> then that we did not share the same view of society. For me a society is
> something that never stops slipping away. So when you say I am more
> "fluid," you are totally right: there's no better word. Society is
> something that leaks, financially, ideologically -- there are points of
> leakage everywhere. Indeed the problem for society is how to stop itself
> from leaking. Michel was amazed by the fact, that despite all the powers,
> their underhandedness and their hypocracy, we can still manage to resist.
> On the contrary, I am amazed by the fact that everything is leaking and
> the government manages to plug the leaks. In a sense, Michel and I
> addressed the same problem from opposite ends.
> You are perfectly right to say that for me society is a fluid.
> It is truely a fluid -- or worse, a gas. For Michel it was an architecture.
>
> Cite:
> Deleuze, Gilles. "The Intellectual and Politics: Foucault and the Prison."
> Interview by Paul Rabinow, with Keith Gandal. May ?5, 1985. _History of
> the Present_ 2 (Spring 1986): 1-2, 20-21.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> --
> ---------------------------Michael J. Current----------------------------
> mcurrent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -or- @ins.infonet.net -or- @nyx.cs.du.edu
> Specializing in Philosophy, Queer Studies, Depression, & Unemployment :)
> 737 - 18th Street, #9 * Des Moines, IA * 50314-1031 *** (515) 283-2142
> "AN IMAGE OF THOUGHT CALLED PHILOSOPHY HAS BEEN FORMED HISTORICALLY
> AND IT EFFECTIVELY STOPS PEOPLE FROM THINKING." - GILLES DELEUZE
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---------------------------Michael J. Current----------------------------
mcurrent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -or- @ins.infonet.net -or- @nyx.cs.du.edu
Specializing in Philosophy, Queer Studies, Depression, & Unemployment :)
737 - 18th Street, #9 * Des Moines, IA * 50314-1031 *** (515) 283-2142
"AN IMAGE OF THOUGHT CALLED PHILOSOPHY HAS BEEN FORMED HISTORICALLY
AND IT EFFECTIVELY STOPS PEOPLE FROM THINKING." - GILLES DELEUZE
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of the excerpt below - a typo that I, personally, found awfully funny :)
Interestingly enough, the typo occured in the particular word that I
found it most interesting to see Deleuze deploy in this excerpt. . . .
It is corrected here.
Michael
> Flannon Jackson was kind enough to track down and mail to me a copy
> of an interview with Gilles Deleuze from 1985 in which he discusses
> Foucault. The ostensible subject is Foucault's work with the GIP -
> the prisoner's project he was involved with for several years. But
> the short interview actually ranges over a variety of subjects,
> bringing out well both the affection and comradeship and the tension
> between Foucault and Deleuze. The passages on Foucault's way of
> thinking, on the idea of the intellectual as "functionalist," on
> "seeing" what "everybody knew" and yet was "unseen, imperceptible,"
> are ones I will think about for a long time to come, I suspect.
>
> I may post more of this later on the Foucault list, but for now I wanted
> to share the closing sentences of the interview with you.
>
> [Interviewer]: You yourself seem to have a much more fluid vision of the
> social world than Foucault. People underlined his use of architectural
> metaphors, diametrically opposed to your "fluidity."
>
> [Deleuze]: I agree totally with you. I remember we talked about this when
> Foucault published the first volume of _History of Sexuality_. I realized
> then that we did not share the same view of society. For me a society is
> something that never stops slipping away. So when you say I am more
> "fluid," you are totally right: there's no better word. Society is
> something that leaks, financially, ideologically -- there are points of
> leakage everywhere. Indeed the problem for society is how to stop itself
> from leaking. Michel was amazed by the fact, that despite all the powers,
> their underhandedness and their hypocracy, we can still manage to resist.
> On the contrary, I am amazed by the fact that everything is leaking and
> the government manages to plug the leaks. In a sense, Michel and I
> addressed the same problem from opposite ends.
> You are perfectly right to say that for me society is a fluid.
> It is truely a fluid -- or worse, a gas. For Michel it was an architecture.
>
> Cite:
> Deleuze, Gilles. "The Intellectual and Politics: Foucault and the Prison."
> Interview by Paul Rabinow, with Keith Gandal. May ?5, 1985. _History of
> the Present_ 2 (Spring 1986): 1-2, 20-21.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> --
> ---------------------------Michael J. Current----------------------------
> mcurrent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -or- @ins.infonet.net -or- @nyx.cs.du.edu
> Specializing in Philosophy, Queer Studies, Depression, & Unemployment :)
> 737 - 18th Street, #9 * Des Moines, IA * 50314-1031 *** (515) 283-2142
> "AN IMAGE OF THOUGHT CALLED PHILOSOPHY HAS BEEN FORMED HISTORICALLY
> AND IT EFFECTIVELY STOPS PEOPLE FROM THINKING." - GILLES DELEUZE
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
---------------------------Michael J. Current----------------------------
mcurrent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -or- @ins.infonet.net -or- @nyx.cs.du.edu
Specializing in Philosophy, Queer Studies, Depression, & Unemployment :)
737 - 18th Street, #9 * Des Moines, IA * 50314-1031 *** (515) 283-2142
"AN IMAGE OF THOUGHT CALLED PHILOSOPHY HAS BEEN FORMED HISTORICALLY
AND IT EFFECTIVELY STOPS PEOPLE FROM THINKING." - GILLES DELEUZE
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