Howard seems determined to force his political agenda onto
Design-L while excluding those of others. See messages
below which are news to me.
Howard originated this list, and for many years, at least from
1994 until he asked me to serve as administator, he allowed
a wide range of opinions to be posted, indeed it was that courage
in the face of periodic calls for "moderation," -- that is, attempts
by a few to have Howard favor their positions -- that most
impressed me about his stewardship.
To be sure during those periods a bountiful amount of other
discussion occurred. The comparatively sparse amount of
postings now could accentuate those which some may think
are too "political." But those dry periods have also occurred
before.
Moderation all too often inhibits enlightenig discourse, based
on the experience of other lists, and fosters a ghetto
mentality. That is happening the US now and needs very
much to be resisted.
It would be helpful for subscribers to offer their views on
moderation before it is imposed for a singular political
purpose. No offense meant to Howard, for he has shown
exemplary generosity heretofore and will surely do so
in the future.
At the present time there are two list administrators, Howard
and me, after Howard returned from an extended hiatus. Howard
may still have the power to close the list, I'm not sure of what
his relationship to PSU is.
Political debate here is encouraged to flower, not wither.
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:45:47 -0500
To: "Howard Ray Lawrence" <howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Bill Verity <whv@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Moderation Program ?
Cc: jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx
:
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We could make the list "edited" and make John and you the editors. Then
whenever anyone would send to the list, the mail would go to you and John
and either could approve it. Mail directly from you or John would just be
posted without approval.
At 10:21 AM -0800 11/9/04, Howard Ray Lawrence wrote
>Hi Bill:
>
>Yes, the list is being misused by persons with political agendas.
>Design List is for art and architecture, basic and applied design.
>What do you have there for moderation of the list?
>
>Thanks,
>Howard
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Verity" <<mailto:whv@xxxxxxx>whv@xxxxxxx>
>To: "Howard Ray Lawrence" <<mailto:howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: "Howard Ray Lawrence" <<mailto:howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:50 AM
>Subject: Re: Moderation Program ?
>
> > Are you having problems? Looks like it would cost you about $10/month.
>>
>> At 4:01 AM -0800 11/6/04, Howard Ray Lawrence wrote:
>>>http://www.listfilter.com/moderate.htm#bad_people
>>>
>>>Hi Bill:
>>>What do you think of this program for moderation of Design List?
>>>
> >>Howard
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Design-L while excluding those of others. See messages
below which are news to me.
Howard originated this list, and for many years, at least from
1994 until he asked me to serve as administator, he allowed
a wide range of opinions to be posted, indeed it was that courage
in the face of periodic calls for "moderation," -- that is, attempts
by a few to have Howard favor their positions -- that most
impressed me about his stewardship.
To be sure during those periods a bountiful amount of other
discussion occurred. The comparatively sparse amount of
postings now could accentuate those which some may think
are too "political." But those dry periods have also occurred
before.
Moderation all too often inhibits enlightenig discourse, based
on the experience of other lists, and fosters a ghetto
mentality. That is happening the US now and needs very
much to be resisted.
It would be helpful for subscribers to offer their views on
moderation before it is imposed for a singular political
purpose. No offense meant to Howard, for he has shown
exemplary generosity heretofore and will surely do so
in the future.
At the present time there are two list administrators, Howard
and me, after Howard returned from an extended hiatus. Howard
may still have the power to close the list, I'm not sure of what
his relationship to PSU is.
Political debate here is encouraged to flower, not wither.
-----
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:45:47 -0500
To: "Howard Ray Lawrence" <howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Bill Verity <whv@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Moderation Program ?
Cc: jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx
:
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
X-ELNK-AV: 0
We could make the list "edited" and make John and you the editors. Then
whenever anyone would send to the list, the mail would go to you and John
and either could approve it. Mail directly from you or John would just be
posted without approval.
At 10:21 AM -0800 11/9/04, Howard Ray Lawrence wrote
>Hi Bill:
>
>Yes, the list is being misused by persons with political agendas.
>Design List is for art and architecture, basic and applied design.
>What do you have there for moderation of the list?
>
>Thanks,
>Howard
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Verity" <<mailto:whv@xxxxxxx>whv@xxxxxxx>
>To: "Howard Ray Lawrence" <<mailto:howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: "Howard Ray Lawrence" <<mailto:howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>howardl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:50 AM
>Subject: Re: Moderation Program ?
>
> > Are you having problems? Looks like it would cost you about $10/month.
>>
>> At 4:01 AM -0800 11/6/04, Howard Ray Lawrence wrote:
>>>http://www.listfilter.com/moderate.htm#bad_people
>>>
>>>Hi Bill:
>>>What do you think of this program for moderation of Design List?
>>>
> >>Howard
--
Bill Verity - 814-865-4758 Fax: 814-863-7049
Listserv Administrator
215A Computer Building - Information Technology Services, Penn State
University
At the office - on my Mac, of course ;-)
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