Re: Isolation and lack of responses to ideas
Brian,
Having the discussion be more than one way is important, but I think part of the problem is just the daily lives of each of us - sometimes there is too much going on to allow thoughtful, meaningful responses to important ideas. I am on this list, very interested in all the ideas but don't always have the amount of time it would take to post a comment that advances the conversation. Agreed, there is an archive full of thought. Its there for future researchers to put our lives into perspective, even if we ourselves don't get past each individual post. Ideas and responses are more than likely floating in our minds, but maybe these "sketches" aren't ready to be put in front of the group? Those that are posting, I applaud you, and hope you will continue, with some encouragement that there is value and purpose and self expression in it.
This week, my cd-rw crashed, my college is converting its online course format from Blackboard to Angel (and I teach two online classes which will be affected) and I am generally swamped. Not every week is like this, sometimes there is time to think!
The book you mentioned by Paul Shepheard's Artificial Love, is one I will definitely read and comment on this list. If you are reading it, there is a very high possibility I will find it impressive. The last book I read was the popular The World is Flat, by Friedman. It reinforces what we already knew, and reinforces the awareness and consequences of what is happening to humans all over the world.
Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian carroll" <human@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "open discussion" <design-l.v2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [design] question
> gwp wrote:
>
>> is a list like this really intended to be viewed the way a blog is? i
>> think that the options presented by being able to use real markup
>> would be nice, and ideas might be communicated better, but is the
>> intention to just push ideas out into the open?
>>
>> i would say that there are already plenty of venues for doing that. a
>> quality exchange is often based on at least some insulation.
>
> interesting. i am not sure what the intention would be.
> for me, posting has become rather one-way which is kind
> of counter-productive for posting more things when it is
> wasted energy, that conversation disappears, replaced by
> one-way postings which are fine, but pass by one another.
> i forget about the exchanges like these, which make lists
> superior in terms of conversing and ideas, and yet for a
> list about design it is rather dead. many years of ideas
> shared and an archive full of such things (which is great
> the way it is recirculated as content on list by Steve),
> yet where is this leading in terms of fostering exchange
> and on what, exactly. for instance, i am reading a book
> by Paul Shepheard mentioned on the list previously, book
> Artificial Love, and would normally post about it to see
> if others are reading it, yet it is basically guaranteed
> either no-one is or no-one will respond either which way.
> recently i've considered the idea of writing an open-book
> on architecture as a future project (years away) and yet
> to discuss this now, in the current architecture climate
> is somewhat bounded by how social networks are organized
> and participate and do or do not/are unable to cooperate.
> it seems isolation and alienation are even greater today
> than i imagined, as Michael states about ideas and blogs
> and lists and exchanges. there may be a middle-area where
> a BBS-style forum could be between a list and a blog and
> maybe the images/urls are not as important yet it would
> seem to be in the same genre of exchange, who will write,
> what will be written, and how relevant is it to others?
>
> maybe it is architecture itself, witnessing the present
> moment and vacuity of the entire established BS regime,
> professional bullshitters one and all, its own commerce.
> maybe it is most productive not to participate at all,
> and thus a list which chirps may instead be hibernating
> rather than dying, waiting it out until new ideas emerge.
> yet when will the death-stake be driven through the mean-
> spirited heartlessness of the current ways of perceiving.
> the politics that drive architecture also drive policies.
> nary a voice of expertise to counter the ongoing madness
> at risk to home, property, family, or 'lifestyle'. fuck.
>
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Brian,
Having the discussion be more than one way is important, but I think part of the problem is just the daily lives of each of us - sometimes there is too much going on to allow thoughtful, meaningful responses to important ideas. I am on this list, very interested in all the ideas but don't always have the amount of time it would take to post a comment that advances the conversation. Agreed, there is an archive full of thought. Its there for future researchers to put our lives into perspective, even if we ourselves don't get past each individual post. Ideas and responses are more than likely floating in our minds, but maybe these "sketches" aren't ready to be put in front of the group? Those that are posting, I applaud you, and hope you will continue, with some encouragement that there is value and purpose and self expression in it.
This week, my cd-rw crashed, my college is converting its online course format from Blackboard to Angel (and I teach two online classes which will be affected) and I am generally swamped. Not every week is like this, sometimes there is time to think!
The book you mentioned by Paul Shepheard's Artificial Love, is one I will definitely read and comment on this list. If you are reading it, there is a very high possibility I will find it impressive. The last book I read was the popular The World is Flat, by Friedman. It reinforces what we already knew, and reinforces the awareness and consequences of what is happening to humans all over the world.
Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian carroll" <human@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "open discussion" <design-l.v2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [design] question
> gwp wrote:
>
>> is a list like this really intended to be viewed the way a blog is? i
>> think that the options presented by being able to use real markup
>> would be nice, and ideas might be communicated better, but is the
>> intention to just push ideas out into the open?
>>
>> i would say that there are already plenty of venues for doing that. a
>> quality exchange is often based on at least some insulation.
>
> interesting. i am not sure what the intention would be.
> for me, posting has become rather one-way which is kind
> of counter-productive for posting more things when it is
> wasted energy, that conversation disappears, replaced by
> one-way postings which are fine, but pass by one another.
> i forget about the exchanges like these, which make lists
> superior in terms of conversing and ideas, and yet for a
> list about design it is rather dead. many years of ideas
> shared and an archive full of such things (which is great
> the way it is recirculated as content on list by Steve),
> yet where is this leading in terms of fostering exchange
> and on what, exactly. for instance, i am reading a book
> by Paul Shepheard mentioned on the list previously, book
> Artificial Love, and would normally post about it to see
> if others are reading it, yet it is basically guaranteed
> either no-one is or no-one will respond either which way.
> recently i've considered the idea of writing an open-book
> on architecture as a future project (years away) and yet
> to discuss this now, in the current architecture climate
> is somewhat bounded by how social networks are organized
> and participate and do or do not/are unable to cooperate.
> it seems isolation and alienation are even greater today
> than i imagined, as Michael states about ideas and blogs
> and lists and exchanges. there may be a middle-area where
> a BBS-style forum could be between a list and a blog and
> maybe the images/urls are not as important yet it would
> seem to be in the same genre of exchange, who will write,
> what will be written, and how relevant is it to others?
>
> maybe it is architecture itself, witnessing the present
> moment and vacuity of the entire established BS regime,
> professional bullshitters one and all, its own commerce.
> maybe it is most productive not to participate at all,
> and thus a list which chirps may instead be hibernating
> rather than dying, waiting it out until new ideas emerge.
> yet when will the death-stake be driven through the mean-
> spirited heartlessness of the current ways of perceiving.
> the politics that drive architecture also drive policies.
> nary a voice of expertise to counter the ongoing madness
> at risk to home, property, family, or 'lifestyle'. fuck.
>
> _______________________________________________
> the design-list, version 2.0 ~ open forum, open ideas ~
> http://mail.architexturez.net/mailman/listinfo/design-l.v2
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