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Onderwerp: Re: all or nothing at all, part X
In a message dated 04/11/2004 01:20:59 GMT Standard Time, janstr@xxxxxxx
writes:
Hi Jud,
in your conversation with Michael you wrote i.a.:
>..... because *something* ALWAYS existed and always will.
>..... the fact that X exists as X.
>..... Objects/forcefields simply exist in the differing ways that they
exist.
>..... an object exists in the way that exists
>..... correspond to the way that an object exists in the way it exists.
>..... An entity [an entitic being] exists in the way that it exists,
I find your descriptions and formulations here have a rather religious
and transcendentalists connotation. They strongly remind me of the
name of the God of Moses: YHWH, "I exist in the way I exist", "I am
that I am", "I shall be who I shall be" [Exodus 3:14].
yours,
Jan
Jud:
Well spotted Jan - there is a remarkable similarity. That is why the
biblical phrase carries so much impact. Because like my formula it is perfect
tautology - given that one accepts that objects exist. It too is a perfect
statement that is necessarily true, given that one accepts that God exists.
Four things militate against the biblical version though.
Indeed very well seen. The harder Jud tries to losen himself from ontological
commitment, the harder he is bound to it. And the harder he is bound to it,
the more aggressive he becomes.
But that is a very interesting feature of the man('s words).
The more so, because according to Heidegger the tautological character
of language, and the character of 'sameness' itself, is what is to be
accustomed to. Either, though, everything is the same indifferently,
or this indifference is ITSELF spotted as the last result of a thinking
of Being as the koinon, the common of all that is. That thinking is called
metaphysics or ontology, to which the Exodus passage cited above, has been
of special importance, stimulus. So important, that today's situation is
MARKED by the completion of that way of thinking, a completion that is left
out, and by being left out, only prints itself harder on us.
Hoelderlin speaks of the abyss that marks everything. False tones, lying
cannot escape out of the abyss of nihilism. They reverberate and glare
between its icecold walls, which remind Hoelderlin of the shining and
farreaching sounding bites, that no longer shine and sound.
rene
(a) Everyone agrees that objects exist.
(b) A decreasing amount of people in Europe - though an increasing amount of
people in USA believe that God exists.
(c) There is no *I am* in Aramaic.
(d) The objects to which I refer are actual objects - the spectacle case in
my hand - the mouse in yours.
*God* has no nominatum - the word *God* points to an idea in the human mind,
rather than to a hard, knock-on-the-wall object.
Like *Being,* *God* is an instantiation of *object giveness* without an
object to negotiate the givenness. God is an ontological bride left at the
ontological altar without a human father to give her away.
In that way there is nothing *religious* or *transcendental about a steel
nail existing in the way that it exists - I could show it to you - drive it
into Bushes skull with the help of Heidegger's ready-to-hand -hammer - but I
couldn't put my hand up God's trouser-leg and twang the elastic in his
underpants.
Regards,
Jud
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