John, Kenneth,
than do you find the ER rather a will to vegetable inertia, ...and
thence nihilism cum neo-epicure?
contrarily, what of heid's ekstasis, ...eliot's "still pt of the turning
world"?
...there the dance is,
But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity,
Where past and future are gathered. ...
Except for the pt, the still pt,
There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.
and if only the dance,
...thoughts, the slaves of life, and life, time's fool,
And time...must have a stop.
is the river of time/becoming teleological? does it all pt to one end? the
funeral dance with its loud, disconsolate lament, nihilism? say, nukular
armageddon, where (W & co. get raptured, and) we all get vaporized? or
technology gone awry as the experimentation with 3rd world fertility turned
to aids pandemic? collectively foundered in a consumerist apoplexy? ...
or are there two dances (par ousia) going on simultaneously: (1)that of w &
co, heroes of the ER, entirely innocent of resentement, infallibly willing
the darwinian past; and (2) the resistance, heroes of the WtP? one absolute
nihilist, the other, as manic to "redeem the time"?
have you the like resentful thots?
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Foster" <borealis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: ER - or bad timing
> ??There are 2 times: one is chronos, methodical, progressively linear,
> outward, and the other is not. The other 'achronic' form of time is rather
> interesting. The ancients referred to this time as 'parousial' time. Bob
> Sheetz has referred to this form of time, being what it is: a mere lapse,
or
> recurring moment reflected in seasons, in cycles both personal and
natural,
> recollection.
>
> par ousia meaning by or beside presence, what is present most immediately
in
> terms of indeterminant immediacy. This is why it is said to be eternal,
and
> recurring, reflected in nature, seasonal and broody/moody.
>
>
> chao
>
> john
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kenneth Johnson" <beeso@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Heidegger List" <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:27 AM
> Subject: ER - or bad timing
>
>
> >
> > from time to time every-one should take some time away from themselves
for
> > a time in order to reflect on the incongrous timelessness of time and
> > thereby see that time can never actually 'be' 'there' where it is but
only
> > where it was during some infinitly finite journey 'away from' this there
> > where it was
> >
> > of course time can return to itself at times but when it does it can
only
> > do so by moving further and further away from itself because it can
never
> > take a time-out from its everlasting timing of the time of itself "as"
> > itself in order to reflect back on itself as da sein
> >
> > no?
> >
> > or
> > no!
> >
> >
> > k
> >
> > timing [n.] The time when something happens. [Webster]
> >
> > i.e. the time of the tot-0-logic happening of time
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
> >
>
>
>
> --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
--- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
than do you find the ER rather a will to vegetable inertia, ...and
thence nihilism cum neo-epicure?
contrarily, what of heid's ekstasis, ...eliot's "still pt of the turning
world"?
...there the dance is,
But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity,
Where past and future are gathered. ...
Except for the pt, the still pt,
There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.
and if only the dance,
...thoughts, the slaves of life, and life, time's fool,
And time...must have a stop.
is the river of time/becoming teleological? does it all pt to one end? the
funeral dance with its loud, disconsolate lament, nihilism? say, nukular
armageddon, where (W & co. get raptured, and) we all get vaporized? or
technology gone awry as the experimentation with 3rd world fertility turned
to aids pandemic? collectively foundered in a consumerist apoplexy? ...
or are there two dances (par ousia) going on simultaneously: (1)that of w &
co, heroes of the ER, entirely innocent of resentement, infallibly willing
the darwinian past; and (2) the resistance, heroes of the WtP? one absolute
nihilist, the other, as manic to "redeem the time"?
have you the like resentful thots?
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Foster" <borealis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: ER - or bad timing
> ??There are 2 times: one is chronos, methodical, progressively linear,
> outward, and the other is not. The other 'achronic' form of time is rather
> interesting. The ancients referred to this time as 'parousial' time. Bob
> Sheetz has referred to this form of time, being what it is: a mere lapse,
or
> recurring moment reflected in seasons, in cycles both personal and
natural,
> recollection.
>
> par ousia meaning by or beside presence, what is present most immediately
in
> terms of indeterminant immediacy. This is why it is said to be eternal,
and
> recurring, reflected in nature, seasonal and broody/moody.
>
>
> chao
>
> john
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kenneth Johnson" <beeso@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Heidegger List" <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:27 AM
> Subject: ER - or bad timing
>
>
> >
> > from time to time every-one should take some time away from themselves
for
> > a time in order to reflect on the incongrous timelessness of time and
> > thereby see that time can never actually 'be' 'there' where it is but
only
> > where it was during some infinitly finite journey 'away from' this there
> > where it was
> >
> > of course time can return to itself at times but when it does it can
only
> > do so by moving further and further away from itself because it can
never
> > take a time-out from its everlasting timing of the time of itself "as"
> > itself in order to reflect back on itself as da sein
> >
> > no?
> >
> > or
> > no!
> >
> >
> > k
> >
> > timing [n.] The time when something happens. [Webster]
> >
> > i.e. the time of the tot-0-logic happening of time
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
> >
>
>
>
> --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
--- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---