Your valediction, malgosia, ...a thunderbolt, ...but, seeing the latest
list-snub, impossible to mistake the force of its argument. Perhaaps it's
just the finitude of things, ...my effective list is long woefully
diminished, ...have lost track of all who've cut me, ... tho yet well worth
it. Anyway, my experience is these things tend to occur this way, ..."a
brief shining moment," the eros of thinking escaped the necrotic hand of the
specialists. I've been deeply enriched, and am grateful for the boundless
generosity of your part. sincere apologies for my manifold stupidities,
etc., ...my part in the disappointment of your hopes and passions. i shared
them.
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "malgosia askanas" <ma@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: The heidegger list - PLEASE READ
> Dear All,
>
> This is to let you know that in about two weeks I intend to close down the
> heidegger list. This decision is part of a wider set of decisions having
> to do with the present circumstances of the Spoon Collective - which, as
you
> probably know, has been running this list.
>
> The Spoon Collective, of which I am the sole surviving founder, has been
> operating continually for over 10 years. Of the 8 people who currently
> constitute it, 3 have been in it basically from the very beginning, and
almost
> all the others for almost as long.
>
> When the Spoon Collective was originally created, a crucial aspect of its
life
> was our own passionate involvement in the lists we created or took over.
> As vehicles for bringing into mutual contact and confrontation thinking
> people from all over the computerized world - people from astoundingly
> different walks of life and with astoundingly different ways of thinking,
> but with a shared passion for more accurate perception and deeper
understanding
> - these lists seemed to us to present a stupendous potential for evolving
> new modes of thought and new modes of life. And it is essential to note
that
> when we were motivated by a thirst for new modes of thought and life, it
was
> for _ourselves_ that we wanted them. Our project was not about providing
a
> public or academic or political service, discharging a societal duty, or
> providing platforms for this or that political organization or
orientation -
> rather, it was about changing life - the life we think and live - right at
the
> present moment.
>
> Over the years, however, our relationship with our lists gradually
changed,
> and we now find our collective endeavor basically reduced to an
indifferent
> performance of a not-excessively-bothersome piece of labor. The reasons
for
> this are undoubtedly complex - the first and simplest one, perhaps, being
that
> the same group of people has been doing the same thing for 10 years. If
our
> goal had been less the stability of existing lists and more the
preservation
> of our own passion, we probably could have done better. In any case, we
find
> ourselves a bunch of burnt out and apathetic bureaucrats.
>
> I personally find thie prolongation of this situation no longer tolerable
or
> sensical. As a result, I have (1) announced that I am quitting the Spoon
> Collective; (2) decided to close down a number of lists that I have been
> responsible for; and (3) declared the end of the Spoon Collective as a
> certain historic formation, and stipulated that the name no longer be used
for
> whatever the present members may undertake in the future.
>
> I, of course, cannot judge the value of any particular list from any
> perspective but my own - and neither would I want to. Only each of you
can
> decide whether you value this list enough to step in and recreate it
somewhere
> else. If any of you wants to do this, I can make available to you a copy
> of the subscription list, a tarred and gzipped copy of the archive, and
> software support for a smooth transition. The present list will stop
operating
> around December 10th.
>
> A number of the other members of Spoon have expressed an interest in
either
> continuing their present lists or initiating other collective projects at
> Virginia. We very much hope that no matter what develops, the Spoon
archives,
> which, in large part, constitute an eminently useful and fascinating
resource,
> can continue to be housed in their present location. In addition, a copy
> of the archives is being installed at the domain driftline.org, where they
> will soon be accessible over the Web. If anybody would like to house
> additional copies of the full or individual archives elsewhere, this would
> of course increase the goodness.
>
>
> Yours,
> -malgosia
>
>
> --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
--- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
list-snub, impossible to mistake the force of its argument. Perhaaps it's
just the finitude of things, ...my effective list is long woefully
diminished, ...have lost track of all who've cut me, ... tho yet well worth
it. Anyway, my experience is these things tend to occur this way, ..."a
brief shining moment," the eros of thinking escaped the necrotic hand of the
specialists. I've been deeply enriched, and am grateful for the boundless
generosity of your part. sincere apologies for my manifold stupidities,
etc., ...my part in the disappointment of your hopes and passions. i shared
them.
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "malgosia askanas" <ma@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: The heidegger list - PLEASE READ
> Dear All,
>
> This is to let you know that in about two weeks I intend to close down the
> heidegger list. This decision is part of a wider set of decisions having
> to do with the present circumstances of the Spoon Collective - which, as
you
> probably know, has been running this list.
>
> The Spoon Collective, of which I am the sole surviving founder, has been
> operating continually for over 10 years. Of the 8 people who currently
> constitute it, 3 have been in it basically from the very beginning, and
almost
> all the others for almost as long.
>
> When the Spoon Collective was originally created, a crucial aspect of its
life
> was our own passionate involvement in the lists we created or took over.
> As vehicles for bringing into mutual contact and confrontation thinking
> people from all over the computerized world - people from astoundingly
> different walks of life and with astoundingly different ways of thinking,
> but with a shared passion for more accurate perception and deeper
understanding
> - these lists seemed to us to present a stupendous potential for evolving
> new modes of thought and new modes of life. And it is essential to note
that
> when we were motivated by a thirst for new modes of thought and life, it
was
> for _ourselves_ that we wanted them. Our project was not about providing
a
> public or academic or political service, discharging a societal duty, or
> providing platforms for this or that political organization or
orientation -
> rather, it was about changing life - the life we think and live - right at
the
> present moment.
>
> Over the years, however, our relationship with our lists gradually
changed,
> and we now find our collective endeavor basically reduced to an
indifferent
> performance of a not-excessively-bothersome piece of labor. The reasons
for
> this are undoubtedly complex - the first and simplest one, perhaps, being
that
> the same group of people has been doing the same thing for 10 years. If
our
> goal had been less the stability of existing lists and more the
preservation
> of our own passion, we probably could have done better. In any case, we
find
> ourselves a bunch of burnt out and apathetic bureaucrats.
>
> I personally find thie prolongation of this situation no longer tolerable
or
> sensical. As a result, I have (1) announced that I am quitting the Spoon
> Collective; (2) decided to close down a number of lists that I have been
> responsible for; and (3) declared the end of the Spoon Collective as a
> certain historic formation, and stipulated that the name no longer be used
for
> whatever the present members may undertake in the future.
>
> I, of course, cannot judge the value of any particular list from any
> perspective but my own - and neither would I want to. Only each of you
can
> decide whether you value this list enough to step in and recreate it
somewhere
> else. If any of you wants to do this, I can make available to you a copy
> of the subscription list, a tarred and gzipped copy of the archive, and
> software support for a smooth transition. The present list will stop
operating
> around December 10th.
>
> A number of the other members of Spoon have expressed an interest in
either
> continuing their present lists or initiating other collective projects at
> Virginia. We very much hope that no matter what develops, the Spoon
archives,
> which, in large part, constitute an eminently useful and fascinating
resource,
> can continue to be housed in their present location. In addition, a copy
> of the archives is being installed at the domain driftline.org, where they
> will soon be accessible over the Web. If anybody would like to house
> additional copies of the full or individual archives elsewhere, this would
> of course increase the goodness.
>
>
> Yours,
> -malgosia
>
>
> --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
--- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---