Topica may not be an ideal mailing list service, but kudos to
michaelP for at least setting up a list for those who miss
the passing of Spoons.
I'm not sure why there need to be two active Heidegger lists
on the net. I understand about cliques and so on, but this is
the internet and the subject is a dead philosopher...
And I wonder if the usefulness of mailing lists is over with.
Controlled announcement mailing lists are still useful, but it
seems near impossible to have a conversation on a mailing list
with the spam, jud trolls, and anti-democracy malcontents
spraying everywhere.
The interesting conversations these days appear to be on blogs.
Like minded posters can cross link their posts, and interested
readers can follow the links, all without a steady stream of
garbage being pushed into their Inboxes.
So I'd encourage everyone with something to say to start a blog
and encourage list readers to give reading blogs a try. They
may be a better technology to enable the conversations that once
made mailing lists exciting.
--- Reg Lilly <rlilly@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> As far as I can tell, topica is an online marketing company that only
> incidentally offers email list service. Topica, for instance, "reserves
> the right to communicate with List Subscribers via email, receipt of
> which by List Subscriber is considered by Topica essential to our
> provision of service." "Topic operates an Advertising Network (the
> "Network") for lists hosted on Topica Exchange, inwhich Topica inserts
> advertisements into list email messages. All Topica Exchange
> Newsletters (also called Announcement Lists), and any existing Topica
> Discussion Lists that convert to Newsletters (Annoucement Lists), are
> automatically added to the Network and participatino is required."
> Topica also inserts tag lines to each message advertising themselves.
> In other words, Topica host lists so they can spam those lists (all
> quotes are from the subscriber agreement), and they reserve the right to
> 'share or sell data'. They say they archive messages, but for how
> long, and how much disk space are they promising? They say the archives
> are searchable, but only by members, so they are not Google searchable,
> which has been an important feature of Spoon archives.
>
> In short, it's fine that you set up a heidegger list (or any other list
> for that matter), but before proposing that your Topica list is a
> simulacrum of the Spoon list (which it clearly is not) you should make
> sure that you know and that people on the present list know exactly what
> one is getting involved in. Before precipitously creating and
> committing to some host I would recommend looking around, doing some
> research, and finding not just some place that will host a heidegger
> list (there are scores of such places) but on that will host the list in
> a manner that suits the members.
>
> reg
>
> michaelP wrote:
>
> >Hi every one, just in case the automatic invitations, to join the new
> >attempt at a heidegger list to carry on (perhaps) after this one dissolves
> >in a week or so, have not gotten you all, if you wish to join and see if it
> >suits you, then please do the following:
> >
> >send a blank email to a particular address, of which this is everything
> >except the asterix -- please substitute the letter "u" for the asterix [the
> >reason for this is according to malgosia, that if I (as I have several
> >times!) use the s-word (s*bscribe) then the server-thing at spoon thinks it
> >is a request to the server and not a message to the list...]; the address:
> >
> >ThinkHeidegger-s*bscribe@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >Hope this is clear ;-)
> >
> >regards
> >
> >michaelP
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
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michaelP for at least setting up a list for those who miss
the passing of Spoons.
I'm not sure why there need to be two active Heidegger lists
on the net. I understand about cliques and so on, but this is
the internet and the subject is a dead philosopher...
And I wonder if the usefulness of mailing lists is over with.
Controlled announcement mailing lists are still useful, but it
seems near impossible to have a conversation on a mailing list
with the spam, jud trolls, and anti-democracy malcontents
spraying everywhere.
The interesting conversations these days appear to be on blogs.
Like minded posters can cross link their posts, and interested
readers can follow the links, all without a steady stream of
garbage being pushed into their Inboxes.
So I'd encourage everyone with something to say to start a blog
and encourage list readers to give reading blogs a try. They
may be a better technology to enable the conversations that once
made mailing lists exciting.
--- Reg Lilly <rlilly@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> As far as I can tell, topica is an online marketing company that only
> incidentally offers email list service. Topica, for instance, "reserves
> the right to communicate with List Subscribers via email, receipt of
> which by List Subscriber is considered by Topica essential to our
> provision of service." "Topic operates an Advertising Network (the
> "Network") for lists hosted on Topica Exchange, inwhich Topica inserts
> advertisements into list email messages. All Topica Exchange
> Newsletters (also called Announcement Lists), and any existing Topica
> Discussion Lists that convert to Newsletters (Annoucement Lists), are
> automatically added to the Network and participatino is required."
> Topica also inserts tag lines to each message advertising themselves.
> In other words, Topica host lists so they can spam those lists (all
> quotes are from the subscriber agreement), and they reserve the right to
> 'share or sell data'. They say they archive messages, but for how
> long, and how much disk space are they promising? They say the archives
> are searchable, but only by members, so they are not Google searchable,
> which has been an important feature of Spoon archives.
>
> In short, it's fine that you set up a heidegger list (or any other list
> for that matter), but before proposing that your Topica list is a
> simulacrum of the Spoon list (which it clearly is not) you should make
> sure that you know and that people on the present list know exactly what
> one is getting involved in. Before precipitously creating and
> committing to some host I would recommend looking around, doing some
> research, and finding not just some place that will host a heidegger
> list (there are scores of such places) but on that will host the list in
> a manner that suits the members.
>
> reg
>
> michaelP wrote:
>
> >Hi every one, just in case the automatic invitations, to join the new
> >attempt at a heidegger list to carry on (perhaps) after this one dissolves
> >in a week or so, have not gotten you all, if you wish to join and see if it
> >suits you, then please do the following:
> >
> >send a blank email to a particular address, of which this is everything
> >except the asterix -- please substitute the letter "u" for the asterix [the
> >reason for this is according to malgosia, that if I (as I have several
> >times!) use the s-word (s*bscribe) then the server-thing at spoon thinks it
> >is a request to the server and not a message to the list...]; the address:
> >
> >ThinkHeidegger-s*bscribe@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >Hope this is clear ;-)
> >
> >regards
> >
> >michaelP
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
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