Dear Gita,
Glad 2 know yr intervention is allowed.
This is tactically not a good petition to intervene in
and DMP issues will probably be sidelined. Anyway
intervenors are second class citizens in these
matters.
This so called PIL is going to meander its way through
media hawa and will keep spiking up around October-Feb
when nursery admissions are in the news. You will also
get liberal doses of TMA Pai foundation judgement
extracts (you can pick and choose your ratio
judgements)
A comparison of 294 versus balance 894 may be
meaningful.
A well chosen attack on the DSEAR will be useful and
will endear you to everyone in that PIL.
To further ingratiate yourself into the clique, you
may consider suggesting that its high time now that
"Land" should be under the GNCTD and that DDA has
outlived its purpose.
Insofar as my IT ACT displays of Objections and
Suggestions to DMP-2021 is concerned. Here's how it
should be done:-
http://www.trai.gov.in/comments26jul05.htm
I am sure that if TRAI could listen to me on this one
so will DDA - nothing like a good old section 409 IPC
Complaint to push these public servants in the right
direction.
Bye
Sarbajit
--- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> my intervention was allowed. despite mr agarwal
> (social jurist) and ms ahlawat (gnctd counsel, also
> in
> the mpisg petitions) and mr sabharwal (counsel for
> dda, also in the mpisg matters) making remarks
> amounting to *resisting*. mr agarwal said I was
> trying
> to get the order of 20/01/04 modified (not accurate)
> and DB had dismissed that (without clarifying not
> me).
> ms ahlawat told the court that I had told her I was
> against free-seats. mr sabharwal submitted the
> master
> plan is irrelevant.
>
> the much celebrated free-seats pil, being celebrated
> in name of common school system and what not, is
> down
> to wanting to hound 294 schools as per list filed by
> gnctd.
>
> ms ahlawat submitted she has given copies of The
> List
> to the petitioner and to dda and others can take a
> copy from her chamber, and that it was drawn up
> jointly by dda and l&do and gnctd, and is of those
> out
> of 1140 school sites allotted by DDA or L&DO that
> have
> freeship condition in their leases (193 with and 101
> without the quantum specified). about the other 846
> school sites allotted by DDA, mr sabharwal submitted
>
> they are nursery or primary school sites that
> allotted
> to mcd (which is ludicrous; most of those are the
> ones
> on which gnctd has issued illegal upgradation
> permissions, as per dda affidavit of 26/10/04, with
> reference to which mr sabarwal himself had
> vehemently
> urged that gnctd be directed to explain before order
> of 27/10/04 was passed without that). counsel
> appearing for the action committee for unaided
> schools
> (which had also filed an intervention application in
> view of its petition pending before the single
> judge,
> in which mpisg has filed intervention and to whose
> counsel and ms ahlawat I had given copy of that for
> consideration of our lawful suggestions after being
> asked to do so by J Gita Mittal on 16/05/05 after ms
> ahalawat had submitted that the afternoon-school
> idea
> that action-committee had proposed to chief minister
> had been rejected after the consideration urged in
> court by mr gopal subramaniam, appearing for
> action-committee on 05/05/05) mainly pressed for
> consideration of the afternoon school option.
>
> the officials (dda vc, education director and
> someone
> from L&DO) were present. contrary to the impression
> conveyed by news reports about the hearing on
> 18/08/05, the court made it clear that they had been
> called not for directions but about assisting the
> court. meetings between authorities and schools,
> with
> mr agarwal and myself, were proposed by the bench
> (but
> I do not know if the order says that for me, mr
> agarwal specifically asked for himself while the
> order
> was being dictated). mr madhukar gupta, who is
> moving
> on to be secretary fertilisers, made some
> seminar-style remarks to the effect that dda looked
> forward to norms being set by the court. the
> official
> from L&DO mercifully pointed out that besides the
> 294
> schools other sites were also relevant, but the
> lawyers started saying other things. (later I also
> pointed out that the list of 294 was odd, but I was
> out-shouted, with the remarks amounting to
> *resisting*).
>
> I was without lawyer today and did not follow some
> of
> the technicalities. since the counsel present did
> not
> seem very friendly, I asked the court master
> afterwards for clarifications. he confirmed that my
> intervention was allowed (meaning I will be allowed
> to
> make submissions at time of arguments before orders
> are passed) and that I could join the proposed
> meetings (which I dont expect to come to know about)
> and that no date for next hearing was given and
> might
> be given after lunch (I did not wait since I expect
> newspapers will report it tomorrow and the web will,
> too, before next date of hearing).
>
> I am planning to call a meeting of the petitioners
> in
> the mpisg matter on Sunday. Any suggestions will be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I have filed an application for intervention in
> > Social
> > Jurist free-seats PIL in which further directions
> > were
> > given on 18/08/05, with purpose of ensuring that
> > order
> > of 27/10/04 (in mpisg matters) is read with its
> > order
> > of 20/01/04.
> > http://plan.architexturez.net/site/mpisg/f/050823
> > My contention is that free-seats condition is an
> > instrumentality of DMP-2001 Neighbourhood School
> > Plan
> > (NSP itself being instrumentality for common
> school
> > system as proposed by Kothari Commission). Order
> of
> > 20/01/04 did not contain directions for action
> > against
> > ubiquitous violation of free-seats condition by
> > schools but for GNCTD to, in effect, put in place
> > the
> > enabling NSP for its compliance. Order of 27/10/04
> > directs action against violations impeding NSP and
> > specifically notes also violations by GNCTD. As
> > such,
> > it complements Order of 20/01/04 and favours a
> > different approach for its compliance than the one
> > being pursued in its name since early 2004 and
> being
> > urged again now.
> >
> > I find resonance in Supreme Court remarks about
> > quota
> > in colleges. It has been asking for law to allow
> > quota
> > and political/ngo activists are criticising its
> > latest
> > verdict against quota for, I suppose, rudely
> > reminding
> > them the ball is still in their court. High Court
> > order of 20/01/04 had asked GNCTD to make Rules
> > (legislative task, to operationalise existing law)
> > for
> > integrating 25% EWS in schools, instead of which
> it
> > issued a directive for 20% BPL quota that they
> have
> > all been celebrating (and demanding in name of CSS
> > in
> > education Bill) and even after it has proved to be
> > illusory not asking for the Rules that never got
> > made.
> > And Attorney General and Additional Solicitor
> > General,
> > who were reportedly at pains to explain to a livid
> > Supreme Court, have both featured also in the
> school
> > matters in Delhi.
> >
> > The politics v/s law debate is very uninspiring.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Glad 2 know yr intervention is allowed.
This is tactically not a good petition to intervene in
and DMP issues will probably be sidelined. Anyway
intervenors are second class citizens in these
matters.
This so called PIL is going to meander its way through
media hawa and will keep spiking up around October-Feb
when nursery admissions are in the news. You will also
get liberal doses of TMA Pai foundation judgement
extracts (you can pick and choose your ratio
judgements)
A comparison of 294 versus balance 894 may be
meaningful.
A well chosen attack on the DSEAR will be useful and
will endear you to everyone in that PIL.
To further ingratiate yourself into the clique, you
may consider suggesting that its high time now that
"Land" should be under the GNCTD and that DDA has
outlived its purpose.
Insofar as my IT ACT displays of Objections and
Suggestions to DMP-2021 is concerned. Here's how it
should be done:-
http://www.trai.gov.in/comments26jul05.htm
I am sure that if TRAI could listen to me on this one
so will DDA - nothing like a good old section 409 IPC
Complaint to push these public servants in the right
direction.
Bye
Sarbajit
--- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> my intervention was allowed. despite mr agarwal
> (social jurist) and ms ahlawat (gnctd counsel, also
> in
> the mpisg petitions) and mr sabharwal (counsel for
> dda, also in the mpisg matters) making remarks
> amounting to *resisting*. mr agarwal said I was
> trying
> to get the order of 20/01/04 modified (not accurate)
> and DB had dismissed that (without clarifying not
> me).
> ms ahlawat told the court that I had told her I was
> against free-seats. mr sabharwal submitted the
> master
> plan is irrelevant.
>
> the much celebrated free-seats pil, being celebrated
> in name of common school system and what not, is
> down
> to wanting to hound 294 schools as per list filed by
> gnctd.
>
> ms ahlawat submitted she has given copies of The
> List
> to the petitioner and to dda and others can take a
> copy from her chamber, and that it was drawn up
> jointly by dda and l&do and gnctd, and is of those
> out
> of 1140 school sites allotted by DDA or L&DO that
> have
> freeship condition in their leases (193 with and 101
> without the quantum specified). about the other 846
> school sites allotted by DDA, mr sabharwal submitted
>
> they are nursery or primary school sites that
> allotted
> to mcd (which is ludicrous; most of those are the
> ones
> on which gnctd has issued illegal upgradation
> permissions, as per dda affidavit of 26/10/04, with
> reference to which mr sabarwal himself had
> vehemently
> urged that gnctd be directed to explain before order
> of 27/10/04 was passed without that). counsel
> appearing for the action committee for unaided
> schools
> (which had also filed an intervention application in
> view of its petition pending before the single
> judge,
> in which mpisg has filed intervention and to whose
> counsel and ms ahlawat I had given copy of that for
> consideration of our lawful suggestions after being
> asked to do so by J Gita Mittal on 16/05/05 after ms
> ahalawat had submitted that the afternoon-school
> idea
> that action-committee had proposed to chief minister
> had been rejected after the consideration urged in
> court by mr gopal subramaniam, appearing for
> action-committee on 05/05/05) mainly pressed for
> consideration of the afternoon school option.
>
> the officials (dda vc, education director and
> someone
> from L&DO) were present. contrary to the impression
> conveyed by news reports about the hearing on
> 18/08/05, the court made it clear that they had been
> called not for directions but about assisting the
> court. meetings between authorities and schools,
> with
> mr agarwal and myself, were proposed by the bench
> (but
> I do not know if the order says that for me, mr
> agarwal specifically asked for himself while the
> order
> was being dictated). mr madhukar gupta, who is
> moving
> on to be secretary fertilisers, made some
> seminar-style remarks to the effect that dda looked
> forward to norms being set by the court. the
> official
> from L&DO mercifully pointed out that besides the
> 294
> schools other sites were also relevant, but the
> lawyers started saying other things. (later I also
> pointed out that the list of 294 was odd, but I was
> out-shouted, with the remarks amounting to
> *resisting*).
>
> I was without lawyer today and did not follow some
> of
> the technicalities. since the counsel present did
> not
> seem very friendly, I asked the court master
> afterwards for clarifications. he confirmed that my
> intervention was allowed (meaning I will be allowed
> to
> make submissions at time of arguments before orders
> are passed) and that I could join the proposed
> meetings (which I dont expect to come to know about)
> and that no date for next hearing was given and
> might
> be given after lunch (I did not wait since I expect
> newspapers will report it tomorrow and the web will,
> too, before next date of hearing).
>
> I am planning to call a meeting of the petitioners
> in
> the mpisg matter on Sunday. Any suggestions will be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I have filed an application for intervention in
> > Social
> > Jurist free-seats PIL in which further directions
> > were
> > given on 18/08/05, with purpose of ensuring that
> > order
> > of 27/10/04 (in mpisg matters) is read with its
> > order
> > of 20/01/04.
> > http://plan.architexturez.net/site/mpisg/f/050823
> > My contention is that free-seats condition is an
> > instrumentality of DMP-2001 Neighbourhood School
> > Plan
> > (NSP itself being instrumentality for common
> school
> > system as proposed by Kothari Commission). Order
> of
> > 20/01/04 did not contain directions for action
> > against
> > ubiquitous violation of free-seats condition by
> > schools but for GNCTD to, in effect, put in place
> > the
> > enabling NSP for its compliance. Order of 27/10/04
> > directs action against violations impeding NSP and
> > specifically notes also violations by GNCTD. As
> > such,
> > it complements Order of 20/01/04 and favours a
> > different approach for its compliance than the one
> > being pursued in its name since early 2004 and
> being
> > urged again now.
> >
> > I find resonance in Supreme Court remarks about
> > quota
> > in colleges. It has been asking for law to allow
> > quota
> > and political/ngo activists are criticising its
> > latest
> > verdict against quota for, I suppose, rudely
> > reminding
> > them the ball is still in their court. High Court
> > order of 20/01/04 had asked GNCTD to make Rules
> > (legislative task, to operationalise existing law)
> > for
> > integrating 25% EWS in schools, instead of which
> it
> > issued a directive for 20% BPL quota that they
> have
> > all been celebrating (and demanding in name of CSS
> > in
> > education Bill) and even after it has proved to be
> > illusory not asking for the Rules that never got
> > made.
> > And Attorney General and Additional Solicitor
> > General,
> > who were reportedly at pains to explain to a livid
> > Supreme Court, have both featured also in the
> school
> > matters in Delhi.
> >
> > The politics v/s law debate is very uninspiring.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________
> > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home
> page
> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mpisgmedia mailing list
> > mpisgmedia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
>
http://mail.architexturez.net/mailman/listinfo/mpisgmedia
> >
>
>
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