Thanks a lot Sarabjit.
Nidhi
> Hi Nidhi,
>
> I am not an architect / planner or any of those types
> so let me explain my views on these things:-
>
> 1) "FSI" is the measure of how much the builder with
> the help of his architect and in connnivance with the
> various local authorities is able to "overbuild" on
> his plot.
>
> This is a highly technical matter so please dont get
> confused by all the mathematics and building bye-laws
> those professional people will try and confuse you
> with.
>
> 2) "TDR" is a currency which is passed between
> builders and the local authority(s) to allow the FSI
> to be expanded. Since the power to create currency
> vests with the Reserve Bank of India, people in
> building industry have developed their own such
> currency. It is printed on Telgi paper (very famous in
> Maharashtra) with the blood of slum dwellers whose
> properties are bulldozed using the presses of the
> State. These lands which would otherwise be developed
> with a normal residential FSI (see above) are then
> transferred to mall developers (or other endangered
> Tigers of Mumbai) and the unavailed residential FSIs
> therein are sold (or traded) to allow 8 storey
> co-operative societies to scrape the skies with their
> 30 floors. (Really Gita in Mumbai we do it so much
> better).
>
> 3) Nidhi, so glad to know you are a journo. I do hope
> its not for Gobar Times or similarly earthy
> publications. I am most surprised to learn that people
> at cseindia.org are admittedly ignorant or incompetent
> :)
>
>
> 4) Gita, must clarify:- when i posted about
> irresponsible media on RTI in a pollution matter,
> didn't expect cse to pick up on it so fast :)
>
> Sarbajit
>
>
> --- Nidhi Jamwal <nidhi@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> i need to understand a very very basic thing (which
>> might sound stupid as
>> well).. if someone could help..
>>
>> what is floor space index (FSI) and transfer of
>> development rights (TDRs)?
>> i am at present in mumbai and keep hearing and
>> reading these terms in
>> newspapers.... to me FSI is comething like a
>> goldmine which each
>> politicians builder etc wants to strike.. state
>> government is being very
>> liberal in increasing FSI, especially in the name of
>> housing the poor...
>> if u want to rebuild chawals and dilapidated
>> buildings, increase FSI..
>> want to rehabilitate slumswallahs, increase FSI..
>> how does one calculate
>> it? Is it different from different areas? what is
>> the logic in its
>> calculations and what can happen in a city like
>> Mumbai if FSI merrily goes
>> on increasing at whims and fancies of politicians?
>> like what happends if
>> FSI is increased from 1.5 to 2.5? or more? lastly
>> what is this TDR?
>>
>> i know i might be sounding stupid, but then journos
>> are known for their
>> ignorance and incompetence..:)
>>
>> nidhi
>>
>> > Dear Gita,
>> >
>> >>> RTI applications : have just filed one
>> concerning
>> > pollution, since I got hawa from Chief Secretary
>> > Reghunathan (from horse's mouth) that GNCTD is
>> > temporarily going back upon their avowals to
>> redevelop
>> > non-conforming industrial clusters in accordance
>> with
>> > s.11A notification of MoUD. The problem is bloody
>> > political as always, the industrialists had backed
>> /
>> > financed the wrong political horses (all those
>> > dissidents and rebels) who are now making trouble
>> for
>> > respected Shiela-ji and so to teach them lesson
>> > pliable bureaucracy is showing the danda to said
>> > not-so-poor industrialists who are forced to offer
>> > "extraneous consideration" to Govt of Delhi (as
>> well
>> > cautioned against in concerned Judgement). 17 of
>> the
>> > 23 considered clusters were up for planned
>> > redevelopment like last month, however these poor
>> > SME's and their workers and lakhs of families and
>> > children are being affected by political power
>> play by
>> > these dissidents and RWA shenigans in BSES
>> matters.
>> > Even the BJP has abandoned all their principles
>> and
>> > has rushed to CVC asking for prosecution of
>> > Reghunathan and Shailaja Chandra in electricity
>> scam -
>> > egged on by RWA vote banks who are questioning
>> supply
>> > of electricity to industries - when it should be
>> > diverted to them. I am genuinely concerned that
>> with
>> > Oct 7th deadline approaching, the irresponsible
>> media
>> > will highlight the 1st anniversary of closure of
>> > industries and focus on those 3 persons martyred,
>> and
>> > in the process affect the lives of so many
>> unfortunate
>> > families trapped between the machinations of
>> princes.
>> >
>> > Sarbajit
>> >
>> > --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> poonam thnx for the loose-talk by Anuj Dayal at
>> ITPI
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://mail.architexturez.net/pipermail/mpisgmedia/2005-August/000482.html
>> >> I adore the pride in punctuality by forging forth
>> >> without-waiting-for-approvals, refusing to show
>> >> tender
>> >> details to UoI, etc, and the no-budget for
>> low-cost
>> >> publicity & advertising and
>> lunches-dinners-n-gifts
>> >> for journos.
>> >> was bragging about
>> hundreds-of-litigations-n-no-stay
>> >> a
>> >> statistic on Power-Point? I could make
>> smug-planner
>> >> demand for errata! and maybe RTI application for
>> >> statistic re fees to senior counsel for winning
>> (and
>> >> in case of the attempt to get court order for
>> other
>> >> encroachment removal at shastri park,
>> not-winning)
>> >>
>> >> more fun: Project Tiger has NOT cleared metroPD!
>> >> letter from interested investor to MoEF Secy re
>> PPP
>> >> guidelines has returned reply from Project T
>> saying
>> >> no-comment re Amusement tender. this is relevant
>> >> since
>> >> clearances claimed by DMRC are irrelevant :)
>> >>
>> >> Meanwhile:
>> >> Kerala cabinet has cleared yesterday DMRC
>> proposal
>> >> for
>> >> Kochi metro on BOT
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/01/stories/2005090109200100.htm
>> >> and
>> >> GoM has cleared cleared phase II of Delhi metro
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/01/stories/2005090111770400.htm
>> >> (mildly noted is qutb elevated-corridor
>> fuss-making
>> >> by, among other eminences, KT Ravindran, who was
>> on
>> >> environment sub-group + general adviser for
>> DMP2021;
>> >> also Project Tiger is now task-forced under
>> Sunita
>> >> Narain who chaired DMP2021 environment sub-group.
>> >> this
>> >> is relevant, as DMP2021 land use plan has IT Park
>> on
>> >> riverbed colored bright red).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- on 29/08/01
>> >> --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > My case against metro property development came
>> up
>> >> > before Justice Nandrajog yesterday and has been
>> >> > listed
>> >> > for 19/10/05. The stay against DMRC tender for
>> >> > so-called temporary Amusement Park on 15 + 2.7
>> Ha
>> >> on
>> >> > the riverbed on extendable 15-year license is
>> also
>> >> > extended till then.
>> >> >
>> >> > Meanwhile, Ahmedabad metro by 2010, on Delhi
>> >> lines:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=146125
>> >> > "THE State Government, which will in a month
>> start
>> >> > the
>> >> > procedure for buying land for the Ahmedabad
>> Metro
>> >> > Rail
>> >> > project, is currently working on finances for
>> the
>> >> > project ... ...To be completed in two phases,
>> the
>> >> > first phase is expected to be operational by
>> 2010,
>> >> > while the second phase would be operational by
>> >> 2035.
>> >> > The Ahmedabad Metro Rail, which has been
>> designed
>> >> on
>> >> > the lines of Delhi Metro Rail Project, is to be
>> >> > developed at an estimated cost of Rs 3,200
>> crores.
>> >> > The
>> >> > Delhi Rail Metro Corporation has submitted two
>> >> > project
>> >> > reports to the state government"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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Nidhi
> Hi Nidhi,
>
> I am not an architect / planner or any of those types
> so let me explain my views on these things:-
>
> 1) "FSI" is the measure of how much the builder with
> the help of his architect and in connnivance with the
> various local authorities is able to "overbuild" on
> his plot.
>
> This is a highly technical matter so please dont get
> confused by all the mathematics and building bye-laws
> those professional people will try and confuse you
> with.
>
> 2) "TDR" is a currency which is passed between
> builders and the local authority(s) to allow the FSI
> to be expanded. Since the power to create currency
> vests with the Reserve Bank of India, people in
> building industry have developed their own such
> currency. It is printed on Telgi paper (very famous in
> Maharashtra) with the blood of slum dwellers whose
> properties are bulldozed using the presses of the
> State. These lands which would otherwise be developed
> with a normal residential FSI (see above) are then
> transferred to mall developers (or other endangered
> Tigers of Mumbai) and the unavailed residential FSIs
> therein are sold (or traded) to allow 8 storey
> co-operative societies to scrape the skies with their
> 30 floors. (Really Gita in Mumbai we do it so much
> better).
>
> 3) Nidhi, so glad to know you are a journo. I do hope
> its not for Gobar Times or similarly earthy
> publications. I am most surprised to learn that people
> at cseindia.org are admittedly ignorant or incompetent
> :)
>
>
> 4) Gita, must clarify:- when i posted about
> irresponsible media on RTI in a pollution matter,
> didn't expect cse to pick up on it so fast :)
>
> Sarbajit
>
>
> --- Nidhi Jamwal <nidhi@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> i need to understand a very very basic thing (which
>> might sound stupid as
>> well).. if someone could help..
>>
>> what is floor space index (FSI) and transfer of
>> development rights (TDRs)?
>> i am at present in mumbai and keep hearing and
>> reading these terms in
>> newspapers.... to me FSI is comething like a
>> goldmine which each
>> politicians builder etc wants to strike.. state
>> government is being very
>> liberal in increasing FSI, especially in the name of
>> housing the poor...
>> if u want to rebuild chawals and dilapidated
>> buildings, increase FSI..
>> want to rehabilitate slumswallahs, increase FSI..
>> how does one calculate
>> it? Is it different from different areas? what is
>> the logic in its
>> calculations and what can happen in a city like
>> Mumbai if FSI merrily goes
>> on increasing at whims and fancies of politicians?
>> like what happends if
>> FSI is increased from 1.5 to 2.5? or more? lastly
>> what is this TDR?
>>
>> i know i might be sounding stupid, but then journos
>> are known for their
>> ignorance and incompetence..:)
>>
>> nidhi
>>
>> > Dear Gita,
>> >
>> >>> RTI applications : have just filed one
>> concerning
>> > pollution, since I got hawa from Chief Secretary
>> > Reghunathan (from horse's mouth) that GNCTD is
>> > temporarily going back upon their avowals to
>> redevelop
>> > non-conforming industrial clusters in accordance
>> with
>> > s.11A notification of MoUD. The problem is bloody
>> > political as always, the industrialists had backed
>> /
>> > financed the wrong political horses (all those
>> > dissidents and rebels) who are now making trouble
>> for
>> > respected Shiela-ji and so to teach them lesson
>> > pliable bureaucracy is showing the danda to said
>> > not-so-poor industrialists who are forced to offer
>> > "extraneous consideration" to Govt of Delhi (as
>> well
>> > cautioned against in concerned Judgement). 17 of
>> the
>> > 23 considered clusters were up for planned
>> > redevelopment like last month, however these poor
>> > SME's and their workers and lakhs of families and
>> > children are being affected by political power
>> play by
>> > these dissidents and RWA shenigans in BSES
>> matters.
>> > Even the BJP has abandoned all their principles
>> and
>> > has rushed to CVC asking for prosecution of
>> > Reghunathan and Shailaja Chandra in electricity
>> scam -
>> > egged on by RWA vote banks who are questioning
>> supply
>> > of electricity to industries - when it should be
>> > diverted to them. I am genuinely concerned that
>> with
>> > Oct 7th deadline approaching, the irresponsible
>> media
>> > will highlight the 1st anniversary of closure of
>> > industries and focus on those 3 persons martyred,
>> and
>> > in the process affect the lives of so many
>> unfortunate
>> > families trapped between the machinations of
>> princes.
>> >
>> > Sarbajit
>> >
>> > --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> poonam thnx for the loose-talk by Anuj Dayal at
>> ITPI
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://mail.architexturez.net/pipermail/mpisgmedia/2005-August/000482.html
>> >> I adore the pride in punctuality by forging forth
>> >> without-waiting-for-approvals, refusing to show
>> >> tender
>> >> details to UoI, etc, and the no-budget for
>> low-cost
>> >> publicity & advertising and
>> lunches-dinners-n-gifts
>> >> for journos.
>> >> was bragging about
>> hundreds-of-litigations-n-no-stay
>> >> a
>> >> statistic on Power-Point? I could make
>> smug-planner
>> >> demand for errata! and maybe RTI application for
>> >> statistic re fees to senior counsel for winning
>> (and
>> >> in case of the attempt to get court order for
>> other
>> >> encroachment removal at shastri park,
>> not-winning)
>> >>
>> >> more fun: Project Tiger has NOT cleared metroPD!
>> >> letter from interested investor to MoEF Secy re
>> PPP
>> >> guidelines has returned reply from Project T
>> saying
>> >> no-comment re Amusement tender. this is relevant
>> >> since
>> >> clearances claimed by DMRC are irrelevant :)
>> >>
>> >> Meanwhile:
>> >> Kerala cabinet has cleared yesterday DMRC
>> proposal
>> >> for
>> >> Kochi metro on BOT
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/01/stories/2005090109200100.htm
>> >> and
>> >> GoM has cleared cleared phase II of Delhi metro
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/01/stories/2005090111770400.htm
>> >> (mildly noted is qutb elevated-corridor
>> fuss-making
>> >> by, among other eminences, KT Ravindran, who was
>> on
>> >> environment sub-group + general adviser for
>> DMP2021;
>> >> also Project Tiger is now task-forced under
>> Sunita
>> >> Narain who chaired DMP2021 environment sub-group.
>> >> this
>> >> is relevant, as DMP2021 land use plan has IT Park
>> on
>> >> riverbed colored bright red).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- on 29/08/01
>> >> --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > My case against metro property development came
>> up
>> >> > before Justice Nandrajog yesterday and has been
>> >> > listed
>> >> > for 19/10/05. The stay against DMRC tender for
>> >> > so-called temporary Amusement Park on 15 + 2.7
>> Ha
>> >> on
>> >> > the riverbed on extendable 15-year license is
>> also
>> >> > extended till then.
>> >> >
>> >> > Meanwhile, Ahmedabad metro by 2010, on Delhi
>> >> lines:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=146125
>> >> > "THE State Government, which will in a month
>> start
>> >> > the
>> >> > procedure for buying land for the Ahmedabad
>> Metro
>> >> > Rail
>> >> > project, is currently working on finances for
>> the
>> >> > project ... ...To be completed in two phases,
>> the
>> >> > first phase is expected to be operational by
>> 2010,
>> >> > while the second phase would be operational by
>> >> 2035.
>> >> > The Ahmedabad Metro Rail, which has been
>> designed
>> >> on
>> >> > the lines of Delhi Metro Rail Project, is to be
>> >> > developed at an estimated cost of Rs 3,200
>> crores.
>> >> > The
>> >> > Delhi Rail Metro Corporation has submitted two
>> >> > project
>> >> > reports to the state government"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>>
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>
>
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