Hi Prashant, Subhadeep,
If the info u seek is normal uncontroversial
statistical stuff, simply go down to that office again
and speak very politely to the peon(s) outside the big
boss's office. He will direct you to the right person
who will help you. Research the website of this
department first, very often a lot of valuable stuff
is tucked away behind deep links. Act knowledgeable
and brazen your way through. You will be surprised how
often I extract information from even the most
notoriously secretive departments like this and I am
invariably asked "Sir which Department are you from?"
for which a suitably vague and non-committal response
is called for - like "Planning Department". Behave
like the Inspector General.
Gita, Re: RTI and electricity data from Private
players etc, the new Central Act squarely addresses
this problem now. It's upto us responsible people to
now use this ACT with all its imperfections.
BTW: Was out of town for a few days, how come there's
nothing here about SC DMP remarks and SC Save Yamuna
Plan? Or do the have the clowns have to learn new
jokes?
Sarbajit Roy
--- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Prashant, Subhadeep,
> Regardless of whether or not you feel up to
> exploring
> RTI procedures, please ask SPA authorities to write
> to
> Delhi Govt and to concerned central ministries for
> separate procedure for access to information for
> purposes of studio-related work.
> You could also ask someone in faculty to take up the
> impact on this of changing regimes (eg, students
> have
> been having trouble getting electricity
> infrastructure
> information since privatization). SPA could even
> provide inputs to authorities for prioritising what
> needs to be available on their websites in spirit of
> RTI w/o requiring proceeding by its letter.
> For the present studio-exercise, I suggest you
> request
> your HoD or Dean to call up the deptts that you have
> had difficulties with and also give you a letter of
> introduction for others that you will be visiting.
> all the best,
> Gita
>
>
> --- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Dear Prashant, (and mpisg list)
> >
> > Sorry , I was out of delhi (away from the net) and
> > cudnt reply earlier.
> >
> > Hi, with ref yr email below:-
> >
> > 1) It seems that DHS Karkadoom is processing your
> > information as an application in Form A under the
> > Delhi Right to Information Act 2002. YOU SHOULD
> > CONSIDER YOURSELF VERY LUCKY THAT THEY HAVE
> PROPERLY
> > ADVISED YOU TO APPLY IN FORM A.
> >
> > 2) The alternative would be to go to the High
> Court
> > or
> > some other court to get the information under a
> > court
> > order.
> >
> > 3) If the information sought is routine
> information
> > you will normally receive the information in 15
> > days.
> >
> > 4) If the information is tricky or controversial
> you
> > will not receive it all. Trust me ;-)
> >
> > 5) As per an office-order from the
> > Ministry/Department
> > of Administrative Reform,the fee of Rs. 25 (WHICH
> > YOU
> > ARE UNNECCESARILY CRIBBING ABOUT) entitles you to
> > ask
> > 8 questions and 8 sub questions per question -->
> > This
> > effectively means 72 questions. However this is
> not
> > absolute and you can ask even 1000 questions for
> > Rs.25.
> >
> > 6) I hope that you have framed nice short and
> > specific
> > questions which can be answered in YES/NO/MAYBE
> > format.
> >
> > 7) If you dont want to pay Rs.5 per A4 sheet you
> can
> > adopt the following strategy.
> >
> > a) Ask to be allowed to inspect (this means to
> view
> > and take notes from) all the documents you
> require.
> > You can obtain the particular sheets of interest
> to
> > you by paying Rs.5 (this is a good device to
> getting
> > scammed by officers who will dump a whole load of
> > garbage on you at Rs.5 per page)
> >
> > b) Frame the questions in a way that the answer is
> > contained in the reply provided to you by the
> > Competent Authority. This is FREE.
> >
> > 8) I think you have been misinformed that
> > confidential
> > data cannot be given. Only a limited set of
> > information is excluded from purview of the ACT,
> and
> > these are specified in the ACT itself (section
> 6??)
> > and conform to the Constitutional exclusions under
> > Article 19.
> >
> > 9) Make sure that that the information you seek
> > directly pertains to the Department of the
> Competent
> > Authority and the Department is "privy" to such
> > information.
> >
> > 10) If you are working to a deadline, file a new
> > application in Form A keeping my advice in mind.
> >
> > ANY FURTHER HELP CONTACT ME, I'm interested to
> know
> > how your aplication works out finally.
> >
> > Sarbajit Roy
> >
> > --- prashant bariar <p_bariar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > It's Prashant Kumar from School of Planning and
> > > Architecture, New Delhi.
> > >
> > > I am writing this mail to share the interesting
> > > thing
> > > which myself and my group mate Subhadeep Paul,
> > have
> > > seen during the data collection process for the
> > > ongoing study of the Area Development Plan for
> > Zone
> > > C
> > > of Delhi.
> > >
> > > We were searching for the data regarding the
> > social
> > > infrastructure status of that area. For that we
> > went
> > > to the office of the Directorate of Health
> > Services
> > > (DHS), at Karkardoma, to collect some data
> > regarding
> > > the existing health facility of that area.
> > >
> > > We reached there and met the concerned authority
> > > regarding the data we required (01.09.05).We
> were
> > > told
> > > to fill the Form A (this is the form required
> for
> > > data
> > > collection from that office).
> > >
> > > Then we were told about the rules for collecting
> > > data
> > > from that office.
> > > The rules are:
> > > 1. You have to first deposit a fee of Rs. 25.00
> > for
> > > the form
> > > 2. Your data will be available to you after a
> > period
> > > of 15-30 days, depending upon the type of data
> you
> > > have asked for.
> > > 3. You will be charged Rs. 5.00 for every page
> > (A4)
> > > of
> > > the report you will get regarding your data. (In
> > > market the general price for each A4, xerox is
> > > Rs.0.50
> > > and for each printout it is Rs.2.50)
> > > 4. There is no relaxation in rules for student
> > from
> > > any institution.
> > > 5. If later it is found that the data you have
> > asked
> > > for is confidential then your form will be
> > rejected
> > > and you will not get your required data.
> > >
> > > We met the higher authority there and when we
> told
> > > him
> > > that in the coming month the analysis part of
> the
> > > study will be started and how could we do our
> job
> > > without the required data (unavailable due to
> the
> > > rules)then his response was "rules are rules".
> > >
> > > In last i just want to say that the senior
> > official
> > > sitting as authority must give some preference
> to
> > > the
> > > students and help them in their studies.
>
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If the info u seek is normal uncontroversial
statistical stuff, simply go down to that office again
and speak very politely to the peon(s) outside the big
boss's office. He will direct you to the right person
who will help you. Research the website of this
department first, very often a lot of valuable stuff
is tucked away behind deep links. Act knowledgeable
and brazen your way through. You will be surprised how
often I extract information from even the most
notoriously secretive departments like this and I am
invariably asked "Sir which Department are you from?"
for which a suitably vague and non-committal response
is called for - like "Planning Department". Behave
like the Inspector General.
Gita, Re: RTI and electricity data from Private
players etc, the new Central Act squarely addresses
this problem now. It's upto us responsible people to
now use this ACT with all its imperfections.
BTW: Was out of town for a few days, how come there's
nothing here about SC DMP remarks and SC Save Yamuna
Plan? Or do the have the clowns have to learn new
jokes?
Sarbajit Roy
--- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Prashant, Subhadeep,
> Regardless of whether or not you feel up to
> exploring
> RTI procedures, please ask SPA authorities to write
> to
> Delhi Govt and to concerned central ministries for
> separate procedure for access to information for
> purposes of studio-related work.
> You could also ask someone in faculty to take up the
> impact on this of changing regimes (eg, students
> have
> been having trouble getting electricity
> infrastructure
> information since privatization). SPA could even
> provide inputs to authorities for prioritising what
> needs to be available on their websites in spirit of
> RTI w/o requiring proceeding by its letter.
> For the present studio-exercise, I suggest you
> request
> your HoD or Dean to call up the deptts that you have
> had difficulties with and also give you a letter of
> introduction for others that you will be visiting.
> all the best,
> Gita
>
>
> --- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Dear Prashant, (and mpisg list)
> >
> > Sorry , I was out of delhi (away from the net) and
> > cudnt reply earlier.
> >
> > Hi, with ref yr email below:-
> >
> > 1) It seems that DHS Karkadoom is processing your
> > information as an application in Form A under the
> > Delhi Right to Information Act 2002. YOU SHOULD
> > CONSIDER YOURSELF VERY LUCKY THAT THEY HAVE
> PROPERLY
> > ADVISED YOU TO APPLY IN FORM A.
> >
> > 2) The alternative would be to go to the High
> Court
> > or
> > some other court to get the information under a
> > court
> > order.
> >
> > 3) If the information sought is routine
> information
> > you will normally receive the information in 15
> > days.
> >
> > 4) If the information is tricky or controversial
> you
> > will not receive it all. Trust me ;-)
> >
> > 5) As per an office-order from the
> > Ministry/Department
> > of Administrative Reform,the fee of Rs. 25 (WHICH
> > YOU
> > ARE UNNECCESARILY CRIBBING ABOUT) entitles you to
> > ask
> > 8 questions and 8 sub questions per question -->
> > This
> > effectively means 72 questions. However this is
> not
> > absolute and you can ask even 1000 questions for
> > Rs.25.
> >
> > 6) I hope that you have framed nice short and
> > specific
> > questions which can be answered in YES/NO/MAYBE
> > format.
> >
> > 7) If you dont want to pay Rs.5 per A4 sheet you
> can
> > adopt the following strategy.
> >
> > a) Ask to be allowed to inspect (this means to
> view
> > and take notes from) all the documents you
> require.
> > You can obtain the particular sheets of interest
> to
> > you by paying Rs.5 (this is a good device to
> getting
> > scammed by officers who will dump a whole load of
> > garbage on you at Rs.5 per page)
> >
> > b) Frame the questions in a way that the answer is
> > contained in the reply provided to you by the
> > Competent Authority. This is FREE.
> >
> > 8) I think you have been misinformed that
> > confidential
> > data cannot be given. Only a limited set of
> > information is excluded from purview of the ACT,
> and
> > these are specified in the ACT itself (section
> 6??)
> > and conform to the Constitutional exclusions under
> > Article 19.
> >
> > 9) Make sure that that the information you seek
> > directly pertains to the Department of the
> Competent
> > Authority and the Department is "privy" to such
> > information.
> >
> > 10) If you are working to a deadline, file a new
> > application in Form A keeping my advice in mind.
> >
> > ANY FURTHER HELP CONTACT ME, I'm interested to
> know
> > how your aplication works out finally.
> >
> > Sarbajit Roy
> >
> > --- prashant bariar <p_bariar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > It's Prashant Kumar from School of Planning and
> > > Architecture, New Delhi.
> > >
> > > I am writing this mail to share the interesting
> > > thing
> > > which myself and my group mate Subhadeep Paul,
> > have
> > > seen during the data collection process for the
> > > ongoing study of the Area Development Plan for
> > Zone
> > > C
> > > of Delhi.
> > >
> > > We were searching for the data regarding the
> > social
> > > infrastructure status of that area. For that we
> > went
> > > to the office of the Directorate of Health
> > Services
> > > (DHS), at Karkardoma, to collect some data
> > regarding
> > > the existing health facility of that area.
> > >
> > > We reached there and met the concerned authority
> > > regarding the data we required (01.09.05).We
> were
> > > told
> > > to fill the Form A (this is the form required
> for
> > > data
> > > collection from that office).
> > >
> > > Then we were told about the rules for collecting
> > > data
> > > from that office.
> > > The rules are:
> > > 1. You have to first deposit a fee of Rs. 25.00
> > for
> > > the form
> > > 2. Your data will be available to you after a
> > period
> > > of 15-30 days, depending upon the type of data
> you
> > > have asked for.
> > > 3. You will be charged Rs. 5.00 for every page
> > (A4)
> > > of
> > > the report you will get regarding your data. (In
> > > market the general price for each A4, xerox is
> > > Rs.0.50
> > > and for each printout it is Rs.2.50)
> > > 4. There is no relaxation in rules for student
> > from
> > > any institution.
> > > 5. If later it is found that the data you have
> > asked
> > > for is confidential then your form will be
> > rejected
> > > and you will not get your required data.
> > >
> > > We met the higher authority there and when we
> told
> > > him
> > > that in the coming month the analysis part of
> the
> > > study will be started and how could we do our
> job
> > > without the required data (unavailable due to
> the
> > > rules)then his response was "rules are rules".
> > >
> > > In last i just want to say that the senior
> > official
> > > sitting as authority must give some preference
> to
> > > the
> > > students and help them in their studies.
>
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