Further to previous post, am glad to inform everyone
that NCW has eaten humble pie and is seriously
reconsidering their silly Marriage Registration Bill.
It seems that a certain publicity hound at NCW was so
busy granting interviews and dishing out PR bytes that
she had no time to read the said BILL and digest that
it was a NDA time bomb - or at least that is one
charitable explanation :-) It also seems that a
certain Adv. Muralidhar may be approached to appeal
Delhi HC minority marriage controversial judgement on
behalf of NCW ...
Sarbajit
--- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [mpisgmedia] [aside] HC on age of
> marriage (grandmotherly rights issue?)
> To: Master plan issues in media
> <mpisgmedia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> 1) The HC has correctly reaffirmed the position as
> per
> the Hindu Marriage Act 1955 - that marriages where
> the
> bride is 15+ are not invalid ab-initio, but may be
> confirmed at the option of the marrying parties
> (especially the girl) once she attains majority.
> Hence
> such marriages are not invalid.
>
> 2) There are several associated aspects which
> perhaps
> the HC has not delved into (I havent cared to read
> this judgement as yet) - like statutory rape,
> invocation of Child Marrige Restraint Act 1929 etc.
> However these are all trivial and unenforceable. The
> Child Marriage Restraint Act especially is
> enforceable
> only against cerain sects of Muslims.
>
> 3) The real reason why all these commies / loony
> left
> are p***ed off with this judgement is that the
> timing
> is all wrong and comes just before Girija Vyas
> (Chairperson NCW) was meant to forward her pet
> "Compulsory Marriage Registration Bill 2005" to the
> sub Committee (actually it was drafted by Poonam
> Advani's BJP lot - but Dr.Vyas finds it convenient
> too). As is well known Arjun Singh (BOSS over NCW)
> was
> waiting to use this Bill to get Dr Vyas kicked out
> from NCW. I have a copy of this BILL - which is
> going
> to be a potent time bomb in the hands of the Left
> /BJP
> just before the Bihar elections. Dr. Vyas is well
> known for these time bombs which cause so much
> trouble
> for Soniaji - Manchand Khandela was inducted into
> Rajasthan Congress during her time ;-)
>
> 3) Pinky Anand etc would know the law quite well.
> Indira Jaisingh I am sorry to say only learns the
> law
> after someone teaches it to her - case in point
> being
> her volte face in the Kapu vs Kapoor matter where
> she
> has resiled 180 degrees from her "landmark"
> GitaHariharan Judgement which set the Women's Right
> movement in India back by 20 years - undoing as it
> did
> PathanKhan.
>
> 4) I also agree that this is not a gender thing, its
> political and regretably certain ladies in the
> public
> eye are taking this matter on party lines without a
> care for the laws involved. In particular Girija
> Vyas
> should take heed before she attempts to dump the
> Special Marriages Act into the garbage can of India
> -
> incidentally the said Act calls for both parties to
> be
> 21+ years before marrying without parental consent
> and
> which NCW (as per their own website) wishes to LOWER
> to 18 years.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Delhi High Court has reportedly ruled that
> marriage
> > of
> > a girl at 15 is not void or voidable. At least
> > Brinda
> > Karat, Renuka Chaudhry, Girija Vyas and Indira
> > Jaisingh have reportedly disapproved and at least
> > Pinky Anand and Madhu Kishwar have reportedly
> > not-disapproved. I am confused, as I had the
> > impression of clear law and consensus on later
> > marrying, confirmed by nearly all (varied)
> responses
> > to the question I had begun asking the week before
> > about youngest age for a woman to have a child
> > without
> > breaking any law or offending any rights lobby.
> > I was asking to figure out the age of grandchild
> > that
> > I could theoretically and politically correctly
> > claim.
> >
> > After the ruling it seems I could be grandmother
> of
> > nearly-teenager, and I spot an issue. At present
> (as
> > mother of teenage son, under the obtaining
> consensus
> > on gender issues) I have benefit of 2 generations
> of
> > men duty-bound to take care of me and low
> > probability
> > of improvement in my circumstances on that count.
> If
> > I
> > were grandmother of teenage grandson (possibility
> > that
> > seems open at least in law), I would have had
> > already
> > 3 (and very likely also more respect than I do in
> > the
> > world at large).
> >
> > NB:
> > I am not taking or joining issue with any
> > public-spirited women of substance; I have only
> > personal interest in the affairs of the world and
> > this
> > is mere mention of a perceived personal problem
> that
> > might seem trivial to most and is made in context
> of
> > gender-rights only because I am a woman short of
> > years
> > for elderly-rights eligibility and yet to
> understand
> > why the gender discourse goes on in name of all
> > women
> > including myself.
> >
> > btw:
> > I studied architecture pre-marital, planning
> > post-marital and research post-natal and love them
> > in
> > that order. could that be a bio-chemical thing? (I
> > am
> > often told I do not otherwise display any
> noteworthy
> > changes since childhood)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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that NCW has eaten humble pie and is seriously
reconsidering their silly Marriage Registration Bill.
It seems that a certain publicity hound at NCW was so
busy granting interviews and dishing out PR bytes that
she had no time to read the said BILL and digest that
it was a NDA time bomb - or at least that is one
charitable explanation :-) It also seems that a
certain Adv. Muralidhar may be approached to appeal
Delhi HC minority marriage controversial judgement on
behalf of NCW ...
Sarbajit
--- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [mpisgmedia] [aside] HC on age of
> marriage (grandmotherly rights issue?)
> To: Master plan issues in media
> <mpisgmedia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> 1) The HC has correctly reaffirmed the position as
> per
> the Hindu Marriage Act 1955 - that marriages where
> the
> bride is 15+ are not invalid ab-initio, but may be
> confirmed at the option of the marrying parties
> (especially the girl) once she attains majority.
> Hence
> such marriages are not invalid.
>
> 2) There are several associated aspects which
> perhaps
> the HC has not delved into (I havent cared to read
> this judgement as yet) - like statutory rape,
> invocation of Child Marrige Restraint Act 1929 etc.
> However these are all trivial and unenforceable. The
> Child Marriage Restraint Act especially is
> enforceable
> only against cerain sects of Muslims.
>
> 3) The real reason why all these commies / loony
> left
> are p***ed off with this judgement is that the
> timing
> is all wrong and comes just before Girija Vyas
> (Chairperson NCW) was meant to forward her pet
> "Compulsory Marriage Registration Bill 2005" to the
> sub Committee (actually it was drafted by Poonam
> Advani's BJP lot - but Dr.Vyas finds it convenient
> too). As is well known Arjun Singh (BOSS over NCW)
> was
> waiting to use this Bill to get Dr Vyas kicked out
> from NCW. I have a copy of this BILL - which is
> going
> to be a potent time bomb in the hands of the Left
> /BJP
> just before the Bihar elections. Dr. Vyas is well
> known for these time bombs which cause so much
> trouble
> for Soniaji - Manchand Khandela was inducted into
> Rajasthan Congress during her time ;-)
>
> 3) Pinky Anand etc would know the law quite well.
> Indira Jaisingh I am sorry to say only learns the
> law
> after someone teaches it to her - case in point
> being
> her volte face in the Kapu vs Kapoor matter where
> she
> has resiled 180 degrees from her "landmark"
> GitaHariharan Judgement which set the Women's Right
> movement in India back by 20 years - undoing as it
> did
> PathanKhan.
>
> 4) I also agree that this is not a gender thing, its
> political and regretably certain ladies in the
> public
> eye are taking this matter on party lines without a
> care for the laws involved. In particular Girija
> Vyas
> should take heed before she attempts to dump the
> Special Marriages Act into the garbage can of India
> -
> incidentally the said Act calls for both parties to
> be
> 21+ years before marrying without parental consent
> and
> which NCW (as per their own website) wishes to LOWER
> to 18 years.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Delhi High Court has reportedly ruled that
> marriage
> > of
> > a girl at 15 is not void or voidable. At least
> > Brinda
> > Karat, Renuka Chaudhry, Girija Vyas and Indira
> > Jaisingh have reportedly disapproved and at least
> > Pinky Anand and Madhu Kishwar have reportedly
> > not-disapproved. I am confused, as I had the
> > impression of clear law and consensus on later
> > marrying, confirmed by nearly all (varied)
> responses
> > to the question I had begun asking the week before
> > about youngest age for a woman to have a child
> > without
> > breaking any law or offending any rights lobby.
> > I was asking to figure out the age of grandchild
> > that
> > I could theoretically and politically correctly
> > claim.
> >
> > After the ruling it seems I could be grandmother
> of
> > nearly-teenager, and I spot an issue. At present
> (as
> > mother of teenage son, under the obtaining
> consensus
> > on gender issues) I have benefit of 2 generations
> of
> > men duty-bound to take care of me and low
> > probability
> > of improvement in my circumstances on that count.
> If
> > I
> > were grandmother of teenage grandson (possibility
> > that
> > seems open at least in law), I would have had
> > already
> > 3 (and very likely also more respect than I do in
> > the
> > world at large).
> >
> > NB:
> > I am not taking or joining issue with any
> > public-spirited women of substance; I have only
> > personal interest in the affairs of the world and
> > this
> > is mere mention of a perceived personal problem
> that
> > might seem trivial to most and is made in context
> of
> > gender-rights only because I am a woman short of
> > years
> > for elderly-rights eligibility and yet to
> understand
> > why the gender discourse goes on in name of all
> > women
> > including myself.
> >
> > btw:
> > I studied architecture pre-marital, planning
> > post-marital and research post-natal and love them
> > in
> > that order. could that be a bio-chemical thing? (I
> > am
> > often told I do not otherwise display any
> noteworthy
> > changes since childhood)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home
> page!
> >
> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > _______________________________________________
> > mpisgmedia mailing list
> > mpisgmedia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
>
http://mail.architexturez.net/mailman/listinfo/mpisgmedia
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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