thnks nidhi. this American style mixed-use, same as
what our American style MOS Maken lately notified for
Delhi, was the problem that mpd2001 tried to solve
with its mixed use and hawker provisions in ambit of
zoning regulations (ie soft mixed use at plot level
with no detriment to hard zoning, and hawkers in
commercial zones).
the present mixed land use *debates* are by and for
what is being pushed by the anti-Zoning-regulation /
big-box retail lot.
sarbjit, noticed how mpd2021 proposals for transport
and hawkers together make howlarious reading? When I
was baby-planner, transport planners used to be the
ones cheering loudest the landuse plannerly proposals
for shifting petty retail to commercial. now the
high-cap-bus-walahs have taken over transport
planning, complete with designing pretty hawking
spaces en-route. obviously those cant accommodate too
many hawkers, so we get also pretty designer
hawker-markets on roads and parks. all compatible with
our national common minimum policy of humane-faced
reform.
--- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Nidhi,
>
> I am so glad that [apparently] you dont subscribe
> to Mr Pai's "organically grown urban area" thesis.
> Mr.Pai it seems (from my internet (re)searches) is
> some sort of transport planner (like dedicated High
> Capacity Bus routes) and stuff like that.
>
> As indiatogether says " Madhav Pai is a Senior
> Transport Planner at Dowling Associates Inc., in
> Oakland, California. During the last six months he
> has been with Egovernments Foundation in Bangalore,
> helping to establish the transport planning group
> there (full disclosure: India Together editor
> Ashwin Mahesh leads this research group)." As
> such I (being an avowedly non-plannerly type) am
> puzzled how these Western mixed land use ideals
> are compatible with the BRT models (Brazil ???)
> which these indiatogether type NGOs are also
> peddling.
>
> http://www.indiatogether.org/2006/may/eco-brts.htm
>
> As a non-planner who had quite a bit to say to the
> DDA in draft MPD-2021 process, wide-spread
> unregulated unplanned Mixed Land Use is an
> unmitigated disaster - and the hastily notified
> MPD-2001 MLU chapter bears this out, pandering as
> it does to the vote-bank lobbies, and leaving no
> place for the concerned citizens in section 11-A
> process.
>
> Anyway I am also glad that Mumbai shall now have
> its own Reliance Metro.
>
> Nidhi Jamwal <nidhi@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Thanks a
> lot Mr Sarabjit Roy for your kind words [as always].
>
> I did not know that when someone posts an article on
> this list, that has
> appeared somewhere else in media [and authored by
> someone else], it is
> taken for granted that the person posting it
> subscribes to that view
> point. Thanks for correcting me and hopefully the
> other list members.
>
> Nidhi
>
>
> > I must commend Nidhi for bringing this howlarious
> piece of journalism to
> > our list's notice. The photographs accompanying
> the article truly bring
> > out how encroachments and misuse of land by small
> shop keepers and
> > illegal hawkers have brought India closer to the
> ideal mixed land use
> > that is allegedly so desirable in the West. As
> Lalu Yadav allegedly said
> > "give me 3 years (or 3 CSE's) and I shall make
> Singapore into Bihar"
> >
> > Nidhi Jamwal wrote: Emphasis on mixed use
> needed :
> > Our organically grown urban areas are very
> > close
> > to being the ideal mixed-land-use places that the
> West is now attempting
> > to
> > create. To leverage this phenomenon, there must be
> incentives to encourage
> > development in the inner cities instead of in
> sprawling suburbs, writes
> > Madhav Pai.
> >
>
http://www.indiatogether.org/2006/jun/gov-mixeduse.htm
> >
> >
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what our American style MOS Maken lately notified for
Delhi, was the problem that mpd2001 tried to solve
with its mixed use and hawker provisions in ambit of
zoning regulations (ie soft mixed use at plot level
with no detriment to hard zoning, and hawkers in
commercial zones).
the present mixed land use *debates* are by and for
what is being pushed by the anti-Zoning-regulation /
big-box retail lot.
sarbjit, noticed how mpd2021 proposals for transport
and hawkers together make howlarious reading? When I
was baby-planner, transport planners used to be the
ones cheering loudest the landuse plannerly proposals
for shifting petty retail to commercial. now the
high-cap-bus-walahs have taken over transport
planning, complete with designing pretty hawking
spaces en-route. obviously those cant accommodate too
many hawkers, so we get also pretty designer
hawker-markets on roads and parks. all compatible with
our national common minimum policy of humane-faced
reform.
--- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Nidhi,
>
> I am so glad that [apparently] you dont subscribe
> to Mr Pai's "organically grown urban area" thesis.
> Mr.Pai it seems (from my internet (re)searches) is
> some sort of transport planner (like dedicated High
> Capacity Bus routes) and stuff like that.
>
> As indiatogether says " Madhav Pai is a Senior
> Transport Planner at Dowling Associates Inc., in
> Oakland, California. During the last six months he
> has been with Egovernments Foundation in Bangalore,
> helping to establish the transport planning group
> there (full disclosure: India Together editor
> Ashwin Mahesh leads this research group)." As
> such I (being an avowedly non-plannerly type) am
> puzzled how these Western mixed land use ideals
> are compatible with the BRT models (Brazil ???)
> which these indiatogether type NGOs are also
> peddling.
>
> http://www.indiatogether.org/2006/may/eco-brts.htm
>
> As a non-planner who had quite a bit to say to the
> DDA in draft MPD-2021 process, wide-spread
> unregulated unplanned Mixed Land Use is an
> unmitigated disaster - and the hastily notified
> MPD-2001 MLU chapter bears this out, pandering as
> it does to the vote-bank lobbies, and leaving no
> place for the concerned citizens in section 11-A
> process.
>
> Anyway I am also glad that Mumbai shall now have
> its own Reliance Metro.
>
> Nidhi Jamwal <nidhi@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Thanks a
> lot Mr Sarabjit Roy for your kind words [as always].
>
> I did not know that when someone posts an article on
> this list, that has
> appeared somewhere else in media [and authored by
> someone else], it is
> taken for granted that the person posting it
> subscribes to that view
> point. Thanks for correcting me and hopefully the
> other list members.
>
> Nidhi
>
>
> > I must commend Nidhi for bringing this howlarious
> piece of journalism to
> > our list's notice. The photographs accompanying
> the article truly bring
> > out how encroachments and misuse of land by small
> shop keepers and
> > illegal hawkers have brought India closer to the
> ideal mixed land use
> > that is allegedly so desirable in the West. As
> Lalu Yadav allegedly said
> > "give me 3 years (or 3 CSE's) and I shall make
> Singapore into Bihar"
> >
> > Nidhi Jamwal wrote: Emphasis on mixed use
> needed :
> > Our organically grown urban areas are very
> > close
> > to being the ideal mixed-land-use places that the
> West is now attempting
> > to
> > create. To leverage this phenomenon, there must be
> incentives to encourage
> > development in the inner cities instead of in
> sprawling suburbs, writes
> > Madhav Pai.
> >
>
http://www.indiatogether.org/2006/jun/gov-mixeduse.htm
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mpisgmedia mailing list
> >
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