A while back David Suchre and company asked some really good questions which,
apparently, were regarded as throw away lines. I want to open the topic back up
again and see if the planners, J.D./??'s, and other quick wits on this list can
come up with anything workable. Original question as follows:
Subj: RE: How Buildings Learn
>This book, "How Buildings Learn", is a real pleasure to read. Several
>serious critiques of the Architectural profession are offered in it,
>including the inability of architects to learn from how a building
>adapts to the uses of its occupancy (for instance, how post-occupancy
>evaluation is the next-to-last thing surveyed architects want to improve).
Another related example of this phenomenon, I believe.
Have you ever heard of an Environmental Impact Statement that had been
'tested' after the fact to see if its predictions were anywhere near
accurate? Environmental review documents are terrifically important from a
legal point of view but there is no systematic (or even causal) attempt to
check their accuracy AFTER a building has been built. We base many
decisions on the impacts PROJECTED in these EISs but who knows if they are
any good. We do know follow up to see if their predictions are accurate.
David Sucher
Outstanding question!!! The same question could be asked of Cost-Benefit
Analyses and Economic Forecasts. What is the track-record of these folks
that seem to be deciding our future?
- Ray
Focussing on those last questions, I went to my Property Prof and all around
dirt law guru and asked if anyone DID re
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dirt law guru and asked if anyone DID review the forecasts. He told me, "yes"
and that WOrld Bank cooked the books to make the results support their forecasts
regardless of reality. Below is his e-response:
J:
The question is a basic one, really important. Bruce Wickersham tried to
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explore the topic as an idea for his EALR note, and found so little on
retrospective accounting on benefit-cost projections that he had to give up
the idea. I'd like to know if anyone out on the Net knows of resource
economics dissertations on point, etc. How would I ask?
Regards, z
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From: livengoo@xxxxxxxxxxxx on Fri, Feb 3, 1995 12:07 AM
Subject: good questions to ask
So the lawyers are currently stumped, except perhaps the ultra-arcane ones. Okay
how do we get real data on these big actors, how do we hold them accountable? I
know perfectly well it takes a LOT of effort to hold a big kahuna accountable, b
ut it can't happen unless enough people demand it. Seems like a perfect net
top-ic, lots of knowledgable people working on the same ideas and building
momen-
tum. Doesn't much matter what your ideology it seems, both sides believe in
taking responsibility and doing what works. Cooking your books may make the
econ types feel good,but looks like very a very dicey policy to me. Especially
whenyou cook the books on multi-billion dollar loans with strings. So how about
somefeedback?
apparently, were regarded as throw away lines. I want to open the topic back up
again and see if the planners, J.D./??'s, and other quick wits on this list can
come up with anything workable. Original question as follows:
Subj: RE: How Buildings Learn
>This book, "How Buildings Learn", is a real pleasure to read. Several
>serious critiques of the Architectural profession are offered in it,
>including the inability of architects to learn from how a building
>adapts to the uses of its occupancy (for instance, how post-occupancy
>evaluation is the next-to-last thing surveyed architects want to improve).
Another related example of this phenomenon, I believe.
Have you ever heard of an Environmental Impact Statement that had been
'tested' after the fact to see if its predictions were anywhere near
accurate? Environmental review documents are terrifically important from a
legal point of view but there is no systematic (or even causal) attempt to
check their accuracy AFTER a building has been built. We base many
decisions on the impacts PROJECTED in these EISs but who knows if they are
any good. We do know follow up to see if their predictions are accurate.
David Sucher
Outstanding question!!! The same question could be asked of Cost-Benefit
Analyses and Economic Forecasts. What is the track-record of these folks
that seem to be deciding our future?
- Ray
Focussing on those last questions, I went to my Property Prof and all around
dirt law guru and asked if anyone DID re
New mail on node VAX2 from IN%"XXandLaw@xxxxxxxxxxxx" (17:47:58)
dirt law guru and asked if anyone DID review the forecasts. He told me, "yes"
and that WOrld Bank cooked the books to make the results support their forecasts
regardless of reality. Below is his e-response:
J:
The question is a basic one, really important. Bruce Wickersham tried to
Press RETURN for more...
MAIL>
#15 3-FEB-1995 09:07:55.33 MAIL
explore the topic as an idea for his EALR note, and found so little on
retrospective accounting on benefit-cost projections that he had to give up
the idea. I'd like to know if anyone out on the Net knows of resource
economics dissertations on point, etc. How would I ask?
Regards, z
________________________________________________________
From: livengoo@xxxxxxxxxxxx on Fri, Feb 3, 1995 12:07 AM
Subject: good questions to ask
So the lawyers are currently stumped, except perhaps the ultra-arcane ones. Okay
how do we get real data on these big actors, how do we hold them accountable? I
know perfectly well it takes a LOT of effort to hold a big kahuna accountable, b
ut it can't happen unless enough people demand it. Seems like a perfect net
top-ic, lots of knowledgable people working on the same ideas and building
momen-
tum. Doesn't much matter what your ideology it seems, both sides believe in
taking responsibility and doing what works. Cooking your books may make the
econ types feel good,but looks like very a very dicey policy to me. Especially
whenyou cook the books on multi-billion dollar loans with strings. So how about
somefeedback?