RE: atheism


------ =_NextPart_000_01BB2C89.3FB6B1E0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Martin,

This pigeon squares up to the cat. Heidegger consistently makes a clear =
distinction between "Church doctrine" (die Kirchenlehre) and Christian =
faith (der Glaube). The references here are too many to be cited, but =
they appear in key places in the Einfuehrung in die Metaphysik, in the =
Nietzsche lectures (Der Europaeischer Nihilismus in particular) and most =
interestingly in Gelassenheit, all of which appear strongly hostile to =
Christianity, but actually support this reading.

I have yet to read a convincing case that Heidegger supported or =
envisaged some kind of neo-paganism or quietism as the expression of the =
relation to God.

Perhaps much turns on just what you regard the word "Christian" to be =
doing in your statement "whatever form genuine spirituality may take, it =
would definitely *not* be Christian".

I might tentatively advance the thesis that God is the one of whom it is =
only possible not to speak (God is the one of whom nothing can be said, =
because he is the one who utters ho logos, the Word). Such a view has =
an illustrious provenance in Christian *thinking* (as perhaps an =
alternative to Christian *metaphysics* - though I would happily concede =
I am taking a short-cut here that requires much greater elucidation) =
exemplified by (amongst others) Eckhart, Jakob Boehme, Angelus Silesius, =
Nicholas of Cusa - a (German) tradition with which Heidegger was =
thoroughly familiar.

Just in terms of Heidegger's biography, he was certainly buried as a =
Catholic (and was accorded the rights of the Church) and appears to have =
retained a lifelong loyalty of a kind to the Church.

Laurence
------ =_NextPart_000_01BB2C89.3FB6B1E0
Content-Type: application/ms-tnef
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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------ =_NextPart_000_01BB2C89.3FB6B1E0--



--- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---


Folow-ups
  • RE: atheism
    • From: Anthony F. Beavers
  • RE: atheism
    • From: Tom Blancato
  • Partial thread listing: