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Onderwerp: Re: Eisegesis or Anagoges of Truth
In a message dated 28/10/2004 17:12:09 GMT Standard Time,
R.B.M.deBakker@xxxxxx writes:
Jud:
Yes, but that is only a branch of philosophy [a line leading to a dead-end
in my book]
Reason hived off [was shed] from the *macrobody of thought* as the years
went by, and reformed into separate disciplines of science. All that is left
now is the metaphysical rump for old men and spotty youths to while away
their time.
Rene:
We're fast in our trenches, only gas might reach you. Your gas remark was
malicious. Did you know that during ww2 Paul Klee got a similar job as
Heidegger
in the meteorological department?
Jud:
That Dutch gas is well-known to be formidable - specially after you've been
on the tulip wine. I hope the wind doesn't blow from Onder-twerp in this
direction - the whole of Britain would come out waving a white flag with their
hands in the air. ;-)
Please put your trousers on back-to-front for my sake!
Is the word G--s banned now as well as N---?
No, its the connection you made, that is sickening. Not words are sick,
but the one doing sick things with them. Mind that i don't say: "Jud is sick",
THAT would be by far too essentialist.
Heidegger never, in his writings, utters subject-predicate statements.
But all those critical anti-essentialists apply them to themselves that way.
One example: 'science does not think'.
What next in your metaphysical 1984? Yes, but Klee -
he was only flying meteorological kites tricked out in bright shapes and
colours in the forms of dragon's heads and fat-ladies' bloomers.
for the amusement of the uniformed workers in the trenches. A friend of
mine knew his daughter [whether in the biblical sense or not I do not know or
care] Klee's was obsessed with the virus of metaphysics too, as was a
singular book, The Thinking Eye, which was conceived in terms of an all embracing
theory of visual "equivalents" for *spiritual states.* In other words -
another trannie nutter. His pretty pictures may look decorative, and may have
entertained the troops, but his spiritualalistically stuffed mind was as
pestiferous as a poacher's pocket.
Ah, entartete Kunst.
Cave...
Rene:
'Metaphysical rump' reminds me of What is metaphysics?: "The rootage of the
sciences in their essential ground is dead."
Jud:
Yes, science broke free from its primitive past and put down new tap-roots
in the soil of sensibility.
Not human, but machine sensibility.
You give a razor to a child, and when it starts crying, you beat it.
Rene:
Descartes' tree of the sciences now hangs in the
air and blows with any wind, and where once was root now is nothing: a very
real
nothing that sucks (nichtet) as long as it is ignored.
Jud:
Thus perish all dualists!
And with them all the science based on the subject-object distinction, as
established by Descartes? You're sawing the branch you're sitting on.
Reno:
Heidegger had the guts to tell this to the scientists in 1929. We're held
chess since.
Almost a century later these scientists, your heroes, declare that they
don't know.
Jud:
They dare not have argued back at him [one must be careful with madmen]
otherwise they would have ended up in a certain Polish village noted for its
barbed wire encampments - but HALT! Is the word *barbed wire* permitted in this
Malice's Wonderland?
Those scientists - They don't know WHAT?
Leading scientists, now, they are finding out and declaring that the science
they're involved in, has nothing to do with truth anymore. So now they have to
accept an anthropic factor at the base of their quest for the final one formula
(not to be confounded with interfering perception in QM).
Your insistence on beings without Being, and truths without truth, leads to
complete confusion. (cf. Einstein and his stoned god)
I mean, not YOUR insistence, i don't listen to YOU, i listen to the logos that
you speak, but which not you have made. So you and i and everybody always say
more than they actually speak, one can't help it.
Thus you helped me reading Heidegger better. That respect for the rejection of
all philosophy appeared not to be respect for a person, oh no, it was respect
for something that was left out, but for essential reasons.
Heidegger the fox... For a while i was in his trap, but you helped me out.
Rene:
Fundamentalism has entered the void of the nothing, because there's no
counterweight.
Jud:
No, it has entered the void of the nothing, because of all the countenancing
it receives from Heideggerianism,
Nietzsche's "confounding of cause and effect." There's first the institutions
and the students, and only then the question, whatfor. They don't make the nothing
they're in, they just arrange themselves. More or less like the terrorists. That's
nihilist logic, the logic of decadence.
You always give with one hand, what you take with the other. First Being is childish
nonsense, then this childish nonsense is able to destroy science. At least you have
to investigate how it can do that, what is the void into which it would dive.
But you're the prisoner of your own presuppositions: that everything, incl. language
and concepts is solely of human making. Now there's the trouble.
a yersinia pestis of despair and ignorance which has infected our universities.
How is that possible, philosopher?
Jud:
All widerwille against what is left of metaphysics, can only strengthen its
grip, that feeds from the nothing.
Jud:
It thrives in the sludge of ignorance that beclouds the bottom of the
transcendental tank - it is a *bottom-feeder.*
A catfish of cogitation.
Idem dito. The rhetorics really threatens the rhetor.
optimistically
Rene
Jud:
You need to come up for air Renekins - the pollution down there is no good
for man or mouse. ;-)
I'm getting healthier every day. From the inside.
rene
Regards,
Jud
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