I find a nostalgia for ritual in much of the discussion recently posted on this thread,
for an originary wholeness. It seems to me that the literal point of the bwo in so far is
that it may be conceptualized at all is that it is acted on by both pyschic reperession
and social repression, but that is also neither the anithesis or prior to these. That is
the bwo produces desire and is therefore integral itself to desiring production,
co-dependent perhaps on the framing or filtering that informs the socious.
To invoke, "writhing" (as opposed to "writing") then as in Contact Improv, seems to invoke
equally a social body of machinic couplings. I think the hints on the power of impove
music, quoted below, may come closer to the mark the recent discussion tends to associate
with an unfiltered experience of the bwo. For those interested in the possibilities of
improv music for attaining unfiltered experiience, I recommend Nathaniel Mackey's "Djbot
Baghostus's Run," Sun & Moon, 1993. I also suggest that bwo always constructs filters in
its own right as it expresses itself or is repressed. There is no "out"--that to me is the
central beauty of DG thought--and it's honesty as opposed to Freund or Lacan, however,
rewritten.
gato@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> At 01:36 PM 12/9/97 -0000, you wrote:
> >I like your writing about the body a lot - I think improvised music can
> work in the same way (when its good!). Two lines, or two tones are by
> themselves unfinished, but between them, in their connection can be formed
> a third tone, a third body or voice which binds all the tones into a
> (temporary) body. This emphasises the space in between the terms (where the
> grass grows) and the non-objective nature of the tones. Not things in
> themselves but becomings between terms. All is connection - the ego, the
> "self" is merely a block to this greater dialogue in which we become each
> other (I presume this is what you mean by anti-oedipal, a term which for me
> is almost to specific, too narrow, for myself a kind of buddhist
> terminology is more adequate). Life, not careers, is the issue and it can
> be a real challenge holding to that motivation...whether dancers,
> musicians, philosphers, or lovers of other types...
>
> improvisational music is life.
> the rest is just detail.
>
> i am an improvisational musician that plays with a group of likeminded
> individuals named ABDECEF...we fly by the seat of our pants, no charts, no
> sheets, just pure feeling. our only philosophy is 'that which feels good,
> sounds good'...no egos, nothing but the music. that is our goal. we wind up
> playing the music that makes us feel good, seventies funk and jazz of all
> stripes is our inspiration...perhaps i'll try to mp3 some of our recordings
> and put them up on my (currently nonexistent) webpage for all to
> hear....freedom.
>
> > also, I do think that it is the body rather than the mind needs more of a
> place in dialogue around D&G - a space outside all the bloody
> philosophising is desparately needed lest this all becomes another merely
> academic discourse and professional specialism, another code which you need
> the keys to the hierarchy before you can begin to play. I feel some of the
> debates on this the list are really stuck in the history of philosophy... I
> thought the point was to kind of leave that behind...
>
> i agree with you here. i think D&G's specialized language has a place, but
> at the same time, their work is meaningless unless it is given to
> everyone--if it remains in academe it is useless...it needs to flow outside
> the boundaries of space and time and be incorporated into all vocabularies.
>
> ~gato~
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> I wish that they'd swoop down in a country lane, late at night when im
> driving. Take me on board their beautiful ship, show me the world as id
> love to see it. I'd tell all my friends but they'd never believe, they'd
> think that i'd finally lost it completely. I'd show them the stars and the
> meaning of life. They'd shut me away.
> But i'd be alright. i'm just up-tight.
>
> --radiohead, 'subterranean homesick alien'
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for an originary wholeness. It seems to me that the literal point of the bwo in so far is
that it may be conceptualized at all is that it is acted on by both pyschic reperession
and social repression, but that is also neither the anithesis or prior to these. That is
the bwo produces desire and is therefore integral itself to desiring production,
co-dependent perhaps on the framing or filtering that informs the socious.
To invoke, "writhing" (as opposed to "writing") then as in Contact Improv, seems to invoke
equally a social body of machinic couplings. I think the hints on the power of impove
music, quoted below, may come closer to the mark the recent discussion tends to associate
with an unfiltered experience of the bwo. For those interested in the possibilities of
improv music for attaining unfiltered experiience, I recommend Nathaniel Mackey's "Djbot
Baghostus's Run," Sun & Moon, 1993. I also suggest that bwo always constructs filters in
its own right as it expresses itself or is repressed. There is no "out"--that to me is the
central beauty of DG thought--and it's honesty as opposed to Freund or Lacan, however,
rewritten.
gato@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> At 01:36 PM 12/9/97 -0000, you wrote:
> >I like your writing about the body a lot - I think improvised music can
> work in the same way (when its good!). Two lines, or two tones are by
> themselves unfinished, but between them, in their connection can be formed
> a third tone, a third body or voice which binds all the tones into a
> (temporary) body. This emphasises the space in between the terms (where the
> grass grows) and the non-objective nature of the tones. Not things in
> themselves but becomings between terms. All is connection - the ego, the
> "self" is merely a block to this greater dialogue in which we become each
> other (I presume this is what you mean by anti-oedipal, a term which for me
> is almost to specific, too narrow, for myself a kind of buddhist
> terminology is more adequate). Life, not careers, is the issue and it can
> be a real challenge holding to that motivation...whether dancers,
> musicians, philosphers, or lovers of other types...
>
> improvisational music is life.
> the rest is just detail.
>
> i am an improvisational musician that plays with a group of likeminded
> individuals named ABDECEF...we fly by the seat of our pants, no charts, no
> sheets, just pure feeling. our only philosophy is 'that which feels good,
> sounds good'...no egos, nothing but the music. that is our goal. we wind up
> playing the music that makes us feel good, seventies funk and jazz of all
> stripes is our inspiration...perhaps i'll try to mp3 some of our recordings
> and put them up on my (currently nonexistent) webpage for all to
> hear....freedom.
>
> > also, I do think that it is the body rather than the mind needs more of a
> place in dialogue around D&G - a space outside all the bloody
> philosophising is desparately needed lest this all becomes another merely
> academic discourse and professional specialism, another code which you need
> the keys to the hierarchy before you can begin to play. I feel some of the
> debates on this the list are really stuck in the history of philosophy... I
> thought the point was to kind of leave that behind...
>
> i agree with you here. i think D&G's specialized language has a place, but
> at the same time, their work is meaningless unless it is given to
> everyone--if it remains in academe it is useless...it needs to flow outside
> the boundaries of space and time and be incorporated into all vocabularies.
>
> ~gato~
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> I wish that they'd swoop down in a country lane, late at night when im
> driving. Take me on board their beautiful ship, show me the world as id
> love to see it. I'd tell all my friends but they'd never believe, they'd
> think that i'd finally lost it completely. I'd show them the stars and the
> meaning of life. They'd shut me away.
> But i'd be alright. i'm just up-tight.
>
> --radiohead, 'subterranean homesick alien'
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
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