hell-0 heaven-0 (playing on into injury time...)

Nic:

>this list comprises, it seems to me, of people who talk is a
>dysfunctional and haphazard way about design issues, though mostly
>architecture. This accurately reflects the profession, and if
>anything, makes it seem better than it actually is. None one cares
>about this list, frequently not even the participants, but that too
>reflects the profession. Its an index of the difficulty of making an
>interested community without the promise of glossy publication
>credits or glossy clients or glossy tenure.

As Philippe Starck's recently observed (Design Week, 14 March 1997)
'Architects? Aren't they the people who abandoned duty in favour of
status?'

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