Clever, very clever, now that I read this again, but two questions, in
the same language minus the sugar coating:
One, why should one give a damn about whatever it is that Americans are
trying to accomplish at home?
Two, foreigners seem to be hassling Americans because Americans hassle
them at home, so the ball is in the American's court as of now -- they
quit, the rest quits and everybody happily goes home.
Buildings get blown up because the Americans went to Afghanistan in the
first place to hassle the soviets and left a mess behind, and they went
in a foul mood remembering the way their asses were kicked in Vietnam
(another place Americans went hassling people) and now the same guys who
got walloped in Vietnam (and cuckolded by the Chinese) are back in seat
and they want to hassle some more. So things would just work out if
Americans said sorry for hassling everybody and sorry for all those
massacres and genocide and sorry for being the most destructive nation
in history and sorry for double-speak, because everybody will then just
say apologies accepted, and don't hassle us again, please, and can we be
nice to one another now?
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From: Basic and applied design (Art and Architecture)
[mailto:DESIGN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ronald Evitts
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:40 AM
To: DESIGN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: nuts or huts !
well said!
RONALD EVITTS ARCHITECT
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-----Original Message-----
From: Basic and applied design (Art and Architecture)
[mailto:DESIGN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gregory Wharton
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 7:34 PM
To: DESIGN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: nuts or huts !
Derek,
I never suggested that the ignorance of others' perspectives does not go
both ways. Americans are, by and large, shockingly ignorant of the rest
of
the world--much to our detriment. But, the rest of the world is equally
or
even more ignorant of us. This is what I have been trying to point out
here.
The primary difference is: most Americans don't even pretend to know
that
much about the rest of the world (complacent ignorance), while many,
many
non-Americans I have met (in person, on media and on the net) proclaim
themselves as soap-box experts on the United States, its people, its
culture, and its policies (belligerant ignorance). We are ignorant of
others, and don't often try to feign otherwise (since for the most part
we
don't care that we are ignorant). Many others (Europeans in particular,
if
I may be so bold) are just as ignorant of us, but very often pretend to
be
knowledgable. I'm not sure which is worse. Assuredly, both conditions
are
very bad.
Generally, and relating directly back to my original post in this
thread,
out of sight, out of mind. Americans mostly don't care about the rest
of
the world and wish foreigners would just bloody well quit hassling us.
But,
then, nobody else seems to give a rip about what we really think or are
trying to accomplish either, so the feeling is mutual. A lot of
misunderstanding comes from that situation--and then buildings start
blowing
up.
~g
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the same language minus the sugar coating:
One, why should one give a damn about whatever it is that Americans are
trying to accomplish at home?
Two, foreigners seem to be hassling Americans because Americans hassle
them at home, so the ball is in the American's court as of now -- they
quit, the rest quits and everybody happily goes home.
Buildings get blown up because the Americans went to Afghanistan in the
first place to hassle the soviets and left a mess behind, and they went
in a foul mood remembering the way their asses were kicked in Vietnam
(another place Americans went hassling people) and now the same guys who
got walloped in Vietnam (and cuckolded by the Chinese) are back in seat
and they want to hassle some more. So things would just work out if
Americans said sorry for hassling everybody and sorry for all those
massacres and genocide and sorry for being the most destructive nation
in history and sorry for double-speak, because everybody will then just
say apologies accepted, and don't hassle us again, please, and can we be
nice to one another now?
-----Original Message-----
From: Basic and applied design (Art and Architecture)
[mailto:DESIGN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ronald Evitts
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:40 AM
To: DESIGN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: nuts or huts !
well said!
RONALD EVITTS ARCHITECT
1201 Broadway, Room 503
New York, NY 10001-5405
212-679-7050 tel
212-679-7058 fax
revitts@xxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: Basic and applied design (Art and Architecture)
[mailto:DESIGN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gregory Wharton
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 7:34 PM
To: DESIGN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: nuts or huts !
Derek,
I never suggested that the ignorance of others' perspectives does not go
both ways. Americans are, by and large, shockingly ignorant of the rest
of
the world--much to our detriment. But, the rest of the world is equally
or
even more ignorant of us. This is what I have been trying to point out
here.
The primary difference is: most Americans don't even pretend to know
that
much about the rest of the world (complacent ignorance), while many,
many
non-Americans I have met (in person, on media and on the net) proclaim
themselves as soap-box experts on the United States, its people, its
culture, and its policies (belligerant ignorance). We are ignorant of
others, and don't often try to feign otherwise (since for the most part
we
don't care that we are ignorant). Many others (Europeans in particular,
if
I may be so bold) are just as ignorant of us, but very often pretend to
be
knowledgable. I'm not sure which is worse. Assuredly, both conditions
are
very bad.
Generally, and relating directly back to my original post in this
thread,
out of sight, out of mind. Americans mostly don't care about the rest
of
the world and wish foreigners would just bloody well quit hassling us.
But,
then, nobody else seems to give a rip about what we really think or are
trying to accomplish either, so the feeling is mutual. A lot of
misunderstanding comes from that situation--and then buildings start
blowing
up.
~g
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