ok, i can't stand it anymore.
what is this: ?¼?
??
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>> From: Van Varga <vanvarga@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Re: The examination as mechanism
>>
>> ----------
>>> From: wade tillett <wade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> in part:
>>
>>> The test, through isolation and surveillance, facilitates an agreement
>>> whereby the subject is reduced to an atomic unit of power, a
>>> power-in-kind with the system. The system responds with a privilege,
>>> an image, a shell, a position, a self for the subject. The subject
>>> justifies the system, thereby justifying the self, through the support
>>> of the system. The system justifies the subject, thereby justifying
>>> itself, through the support illicited from the subject. This is the
>>> creation of the reflexive dual circle of self-justification. This is
>>> how the knowledge/power economy is set up and perpetuated. This is how
>>> the circular process of state-legitimacy and self-legitimacy is
>>> constructed. This is how privilege and power perpetuate themselves.
>>
>> Privilage and power imply a hierarchy. The ancient Greek world as well
as
>> our modern one are permeated by a general appreciation for the
hierarchical
>> order of nature and society and so the average person did/does not seem
to
>> mind being subordinate to a ruling class as long as he/she retains the
right
>> to elect, to "vote" on laws proposed and especially to ostracize
unpopular
>> leaders.
>>
>> This last right is the problematical one because of the circular process
of
>> state-legitimacy and self-legitimacy. It implies that any leader outside
of
>> the circle of legitimacy is no leader at all and therefore
>> ostracized/marginalized as a matter of course. The power of the majority
>> coupled with the tenacity of the ruling class keeps us all following the
>> same boobs around in a circle. It is a singular error to believe that we
>> enjoy liberty. We do not even have the idea of it.
>
>
> true. just having some travel to another place, preferably far away, will
> show directly how the notion of freedom/liberty is certainly not
> egalitarian, neither fraternal. Sorry Frenchies (I'm Belgian)
>
> also just note that the vast majority in democratic countries doesn't vote
> at all. Happened recently in the US. They don't care of their voting
rights
> until they loose it, but support military troops who fighted to impose
such
> basic rights, f.i. recently to afghans, or northvietnameses...another kind
of
> loop...
>>
>> Any sense of power or powerlessness we have revolves around whether we
>> beleive we have the qualities with which we can have some effect on our
>> destinies and on that of our whole society. To the degree you are not
>> thrilled by the demeaning assumption that we are driven by self-interest,
>> that consumption asserts our individualism, you are ready to be
ostracized.
>
> there the reason for the apparition of closters/convents/abbeys/monks/nuns
> enclosed from the "real" world.
> They were certainly not driven by selfinterest.
> Made for imposed or choosen laws of diferent living. gardening, writing,
> praying, insulated from the big bad world around.
> We should probably try harder to find similar places in our actual times.
> Certainly Van found some in his alreday-famous-here unlawfuls mountain
> hiding/hiking recentering places.
>>
>> This is not the same thing as seeing the world as a place of certainties
and
>> their oppositions, a Manichean division, but we do need the certainty of
our
>> inner forces to face the world and ourselves. True, unabashed,
unflinching,
>> responsibility.
>
> acquiring inner security depends from some genetics,some casual events
> during the first life's months, and everybody's learning capacity to cope
> with the events we are confronted with.
> The inner security relies also on selfconfidence.
> But too much of such can lead to selfishness or arrogance, so be balanced
!
>
>>
>> Thanks Wade, your post was refreshing in the immediacy of its perception
and
>> analysis.
>> I had a most productive and satisfiying day today and I hope y'all did
too.
>>
>> //Van
>
> It's already tomorrow and the sun keeps appearing on the eastern side of
my
> (?) burning smoking Popocatepetl. Those can't do anything else, but as we
> have brains, we can do very productive * and positive things, everyday,
why
> shoudn't we ?
>
> (* means productive can be negative: Nobel designed his prize for such
> reasons. His products made such a killing he had some real remorse, poor
> rich guy,finally)
> ?¼?
>
>
what is this: ?¼?
??
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Subject: the big bad world
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> Date: vendredi 25 janvier 2002 12:37apr
> To: "Basic and applied design (Art and Architecture)"
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> Subject: the big bad world
>
>
>
>> From: Van Varga <vanvarga@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Re: The examination as mechanism
>>
>> ----------
>>> From: wade tillett <wade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> in part:
>>
>>> The test, through isolation and surveillance, facilitates an agreement
>>> whereby the subject is reduced to an atomic unit of power, a
>>> power-in-kind with the system. The system responds with a privilege,
>>> an image, a shell, a position, a self for the subject. The subject
>>> justifies the system, thereby justifying the self, through the support
>>> of the system. The system justifies the subject, thereby justifying
>>> itself, through the support illicited from the subject. This is the
>>> creation of the reflexive dual circle of self-justification. This is
>>> how the knowledge/power economy is set up and perpetuated. This is how
>>> the circular process of state-legitimacy and self-legitimacy is
>>> constructed. This is how privilege and power perpetuate themselves.
>>
>> Privilage and power imply a hierarchy. The ancient Greek world as well
as
>> our modern one are permeated by a general appreciation for the
hierarchical
>> order of nature and society and so the average person did/does not seem
to
>> mind being subordinate to a ruling class as long as he/she retains the
right
>> to elect, to "vote" on laws proposed and especially to ostracize
unpopular
>> leaders.
>>
>> This last right is the problematical one because of the circular process
of
>> state-legitimacy and self-legitimacy. It implies that any leader outside
of
>> the circle of legitimacy is no leader at all and therefore
>> ostracized/marginalized as a matter of course. The power of the majority
>> coupled with the tenacity of the ruling class keeps us all following the
>> same boobs around in a circle. It is a singular error to believe that we
>> enjoy liberty. We do not even have the idea of it.
>
>
> true. just having some travel to another place, preferably far away, will
> show directly how the notion of freedom/liberty is certainly not
> egalitarian, neither fraternal. Sorry Frenchies (I'm Belgian)
>
> also just note that the vast majority in democratic countries doesn't vote
> at all. Happened recently in the US. They don't care of their voting
rights
> until they loose it, but support military troops who fighted to impose
such
> basic rights, f.i. recently to afghans, or northvietnameses...another kind
of
> loop...
>>
>> Any sense of power or powerlessness we have revolves around whether we
>> beleive we have the qualities with which we can have some effect on our
>> destinies and on that of our whole society. To the degree you are not
>> thrilled by the demeaning assumption that we are driven by self-interest,
>> that consumption asserts our individualism, you are ready to be
ostracized.
>
> there the reason for the apparition of closters/convents/abbeys/monks/nuns
> enclosed from the "real" world.
> They were certainly not driven by selfinterest.
> Made for imposed or choosen laws of diferent living. gardening, writing,
> praying, insulated from the big bad world around.
> We should probably try harder to find similar places in our actual times.
> Certainly Van found some in his alreday-famous-here unlawfuls mountain
> hiding/hiking recentering places.
>>
>> This is not the same thing as seeing the world as a place of certainties
and
>> their oppositions, a Manichean division, but we do need the certainty of
our
>> inner forces to face the world and ourselves. True, unabashed,
unflinching,
>> responsibility.
>
> acquiring inner security depends from some genetics,some casual events
> during the first life's months, and everybody's learning capacity to cope
> with the events we are confronted with.
> The inner security relies also on selfconfidence.
> But too much of such can lead to selfishness or arrogance, so be balanced
!
>
>>
>> Thanks Wade, your post was refreshing in the immediacy of its perception
and
>> analysis.
>> I had a most productive and satisfiying day today and I hope y'all did
too.
>>
>> //Van
>
> It's already tomorrow and the sun keeps appearing on the eastern side of
my
> (?) burning smoking Popocatepetl. Those can't do anything else, but as we
> have brains, we can do very productive * and positive things, everyday,
why
> shoudn't we ?
>
> (* means productive can be negative: Nobel designed his prize for such
> reasons. His products made such a killing he had some real remorse, poor
> rich guy,finally)
> ?¼?
>
>