rene, it is painful, but the anguish of lying abed imagining children
tortured in abu ghraib (not in saddam's name, but in mine) in front of
their mothers, well, it is not the pain of these children, it is this
stupid anguish of subjectivity reflecting upon itself and the
metaphysics of torture:
for surely these affairs are reformed according to modern humanity,
modern subjectivity and metaphysics. those children are information
receptacles, or at least they are conveyances towards their mothers as
information receptacles...
and the torturers job is quite simple: access the information.
and from the hands of the torturer, up the "chain of [being = will to
will] command from hand to hand, all the way until we reach Bush
himself, and then by him to the many and me.
we have tortured these children.
but only as we did in central and south america with reagan and his
bloody filthy hands. his frequent naps...
Bakker, R.B.M. de wrote on 6/11/04, 7:19 AM:
> Henry,
>
> Imo only by acknowledging that we are completely enmeshed. Only
> then the
> need to take distance can really rise. And only when the need is
> rising,
> a way can be sought.
>
> All other 'approaches' get stuck in the return of the same. That
> has already
> been decided. Metaphysics and subjectivity are in their completion
> phase,
> still using (and needing!!!!) the human subject. Seeing this, is
> acting.
> It feels stupid - the change from subject to Dasein - , always
> again so,
> but i think it's not.
>
> rene
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tortured in abu ghraib (not in saddam's name, but in mine) in front of
their mothers, well, it is not the pain of these children, it is this
stupid anguish of subjectivity reflecting upon itself and the
metaphysics of torture:
for surely these affairs are reformed according to modern humanity,
modern subjectivity and metaphysics. those children are information
receptacles, or at least they are conveyances towards their mothers as
information receptacles...
and the torturers job is quite simple: access the information.
and from the hands of the torturer, up the "chain of [being = will to
will] command from hand to hand, all the way until we reach Bush
himself, and then by him to the many and me.
we have tortured these children.
but only as we did in central and south america with reagan and his
bloody filthy hands. his frequent naps...
Bakker, R.B.M. de wrote on 6/11/04, 7:19 AM:
> Henry,
>
> Imo only by acknowledging that we are completely enmeshed. Only
> then the
> need to take distance can really rise. And only when the need is
> rising,
> a way can be sought.
>
> All other 'approaches' get stuck in the return of the same. That
> has already
> been decided. Metaphysics and subjectivity are in their completion
> phase,
> still using (and needing!!!!) the human subject. Seeing this, is
> acting.
> It feels stupid - the change from subject to Dasein - , always
> again so,
> but i think it's not.
>
> rene
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