Henry,
The undermining of a subjectivity that successfully filters humane humanity,
by appealing to the feeling of security and by continually lying re "terrorism",
is therefore necessary, because after Guatemala and Vietnam comes Iraq, and after
Iraq will come Iran or Kurdistan - it will never stop, that's what Anthony
called 'progress'. All opposition to torture seems to have led only to a greater
acceptance. Which is necessary because of the information era, in which less can
be kept hidden, but more manipulated.
So the question seems unavoidable: why is that? And i repeat that the only possible
way out is questioning subjectivity. Not the BT way, which has a fatal amount of
subjectivity itself, but by taking BT as start of the road, going through to H2.
And that only makes sense when the problem of "Heidegger the Nazi" is solved, which
is only a problem of current philosophy with itself.
rene
rene, it is painful, but the anguish of lying abed imagining children
tortured in abu ghraib (not in saddam's name, but in mine) in front of
their mothers, well, it is not the pain of these children, it is this
stupid anguish of subjectivity reflecting upon itself and the
metaphysics of torture:
for surely these affairs are reformed according to modern humanity,
modern subjectivity and metaphysics. those children are information
receptacles, or at least they are conveyances towards their mothers as
information receptacles...
and the torturers job is quite simple: access the information.
and from the hands of the torturer, up the "chain of [being = will to
will] command from hand to hand, all the way until we reach Bush
himself, and then by him to the many and me.
we have tortured these children.
but only as we did in central and south america with reagan and his
bloody filthy hands. his frequent naps...
Bakker, R.B.M. de wrote on 6/11/04, 7:19 AM:
> Henry,
>
> Imo only by acknowledging that we are completely enmeshed. Only
> then the
> need to take distance can really rise. And only when the need is
> rising,
> a way can be sought.
>
> All other 'approaches' get stuck in the return of the same. That
> has already
> been decided. Metaphysics and subjectivity are in their completion
> phase,
> still using (and needing!!!!) the human subject. Seeing this, is
> acting.
> It feels stupid - the change from subject to Dasein - , always
> again so,
> but i think it's not.
>
> rene
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The undermining of a subjectivity that successfully filters humane humanity,
by appealing to the feeling of security and by continually lying re "terrorism",
is therefore necessary, because after Guatemala and Vietnam comes Iraq, and after
Iraq will come Iran or Kurdistan - it will never stop, that's what Anthony
called 'progress'. All opposition to torture seems to have led only to a greater
acceptance. Which is necessary because of the information era, in which less can
be kept hidden, but more manipulated.
So the question seems unavoidable: why is that? And i repeat that the only possible
way out is questioning subjectivity. Not the BT way, which has a fatal amount of
subjectivity itself, but by taking BT as start of the road, going through to H2.
And that only makes sense when the problem of "Heidegger the Nazi" is solved, which
is only a problem of current philosophy with itself.
rene
rene, it is painful, but the anguish of lying abed imagining children
tortured in abu ghraib (not in saddam's name, but in mine) in front of
their mothers, well, it is not the pain of these children, it is this
stupid anguish of subjectivity reflecting upon itself and the
metaphysics of torture:
for surely these affairs are reformed according to modern humanity,
modern subjectivity and metaphysics. those children are information
receptacles, or at least they are conveyances towards their mothers as
information receptacles...
and the torturers job is quite simple: access the information.
and from the hands of the torturer, up the "chain of [being = will to
will] command from hand to hand, all the way until we reach Bush
himself, and then by him to the many and me.
we have tortured these children.
but only as we did in central and south america with reagan and his
bloody filthy hands. his frequent naps...
Bakker, R.B.M. de wrote on 6/11/04, 7:19 AM:
> Henry,
>
> Imo only by acknowledging that we are completely enmeshed. Only
> then the
> need to take distance can really rise. And only when the need is
> rising,
> a way can be sought.
>
> All other 'approaches' get stuck in the return of the same. That
> has already
> been decided. Metaphysics and subjectivity are in their completion
> phase,
> still using (and needing!!!!) the human subject. Seeing this, is
> acting.
> It feels stupid - the change from subject to Dasein - , always
> again so,
> but i think it's not.
>
> rene
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