Just one short note, may it be useful or not:
The word "da" should imo better be translated as
"here" and not so much just as "there".
In German, using "da" in the sense of "(over) there"
is in most cases considered imprecise and the word
"dort" should be used instead.
Christian [Yes y'all, this is actually how my name is
spelled. Sorry about the typo from last time]
--- GEVANS613@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Dear Jan, [Januseus]
>
> I intend to answer your questions obliquely in the
> form of an imagined
> dialogue.
> Why? Because it amuses me to do so. ;-)
>
>
>
> Who and What is Januseus?
>
>
> Eutrapelia:
> Good day Taurorhupos! I see you are
> uncharacteristically alone?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> I had meant to invite Januseus to accompany me here
> to the agora today but
> sadly he is unavailable.
> He is prostrated with belly-pain from
> over-indulgence in grape and grain. He
> was an attendee at the Dionyssiac ceremony organised
> by Achaikos of
> Peloponnesus yestreen. According to Militiades the
> ceremony began in a restrained
> and simple manner at the beginning, but little by
> little became noisy and
> orgiastic. The enthusiasts were strolling along the
> central dromoi holding the
> phallus in front of them, accompanied by flute,
> drums and forminx, eating the
> raw fleshes of the animals sacrificed to Dionysos.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> Will men ever learn? But what of Januseus? Who
> and/or what is this
> Januseus?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> Let's separate the question into two and deal first
> with: "what Januseus is"
> â?? later [perhaps on the morrow] we will address
> the question of "who
> Januseus is." Januseus is an escaped slave of
> Philemon who met Onesiphoros whilst in
> prison and was set free by him upon his release.
> The good Onesiphoros sent
> Philemon a consignment of fat lambs by way of
> compensation.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> OK - then let's proceed - What exactly is Januseus?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> The existing material body of Januseus is a
> temporary association of bits of
> the Da.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> Meaning that Januseus is a conglomerate of bits of
> the Da surrounded by the
> rest of the Da?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> Well, if we accepted that the THERE [Da] of BEING
> THERE is the material
> world in which the Dasein represented as Januseus
> abides, then Januseus is
> actually constituted of bits of the THERE which he
> has accumulated by absorption
> during his being there in the world as a collection
> of minute portions of the
> Da itself.â?¦
>
> Eutrapelia:
> You mean that physically there is no difference
> between Januseus and the Da
> of the world?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> There is an obvious difference in the way that the
> entity Januseus appears
> when sensed by other sentient creatures when
> compared to themselves or other
> entities of the Da, and there is also a difference
> too in the way that the
> entity Januseus senses his own experience of being
> the individuate Januseus.
> However, as far as the molecular fabric of Januseus'
> body is concerned, if it
> were rendered down, or decomposed to it constituent
> elementals both mineral
> and chemical, they would be found to be no different
> from that which comprised
> the box in which his dust was contained and the
> table upon which the casket
> rested.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> From whence did that which constitutes the pile of
> dust that once was
> Januseus originate?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> From the swirling particulate that constitutes the
> dust clouds of the
> universe - Januseus is a creature of the stars like
> the rest of us animalia.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> How did Januseus accumulate this stardust
> particulate and convert it into
> the corporeal substance that became part of the body
> of that entity which we
> call Januseus?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> Apart from those cells which were initially donated
> by Januseus' parents,
> all the material which Januseus has collected from
> the surrounding Da was
> obtained by consuming food and drinks, initially as
> food and nutriments to be
> burnt as fuel to provide energy, but some of it was
> converted into additional and
> replacement cells and became part of the physical
> structure of Januseus
> himself.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> So Januseus consists of various quantum materials
> picked up along the way in
> the form of food?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> Well,...yes...there are also some hard Asian resin
> fillings in his teeth
> which are parts of Da which Januseus' Chalcedonic
> dentists appropriated and
> stuck inside Januseus' mouth â?? but generally
> speaking...yes...Januseus is a
> collective â?? a macro-community of particulate
> made up of that which forms part of
> the Da and IS THE DA. In that sense Januseus can
> be said to be as much part
> of Da as anything else in the Da which we call the
> world.
> During the various symposiums for example Januseus
> always makes a point of
> homing in and gorging himself upon the tasty
> anaklintra. At the beginning we
> are served a glass of wine mixed with oinomelo and
> also bread. After that the
> dishes of the menu appear, in the right order:
> several appetisers and also
> fruit. Then fresh fish and meat is the last to be
> served. Of these materials
> Januseus consists â?? upon their life-giving
> substances he thrives â?? he is an
> amalgam of the various quantum materials picked up
> along the way in the form
> of food â?? initially at his mother's breast â?? but
> later at the interminable
> feasts and ceremonies with which [being attractive
> and desirable] he fills his
> dissolute life?
>
> Eutrapelia:
> What about Januseus' excretions?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> It goes back to the Da [in a reconstituted form]
> from whence it came.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> When you say: 'Da' what exactly do you mean â?? to
> what do you refer?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> I refer to the material universe.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> But isn't the word Da or There used when we speak of
> a location â?? of an
> object being HERE in this present location; this
> place â?? rather than THERE in
> THAT place over THERE - or in a far country or on a
> far planet?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> The molecular quantum materials and miniature
> forcefields of the universe
> are no respecters of manmade locational notions of
> HERE and THERE. Like the
> Lappish aboriginals of the frozen north they cross
> territorial borders as they
> wish - Our earth is constantly bombarded with
> transient 'foreign' molecules
> from outer space, and bathed in a constant cascade
> of electrons. What formed
>
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The word "da" should imo better be translated as
"here" and not so much just as "there".
In German, using "da" in the sense of "(over) there"
is in most cases considered imprecise and the word
"dort" should be used instead.
Christian [Yes y'all, this is actually how my name is
spelled. Sorry about the typo from last time]
--- GEVANS613@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Dear Jan, [Januseus]
>
> I intend to answer your questions obliquely in the
> form of an imagined
> dialogue.
> Why? Because it amuses me to do so. ;-)
>
>
>
> Who and What is Januseus?
>
>
> Eutrapelia:
> Good day Taurorhupos! I see you are
> uncharacteristically alone?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> I had meant to invite Januseus to accompany me here
> to the agora today but
> sadly he is unavailable.
> He is prostrated with belly-pain from
> over-indulgence in grape and grain. He
> was an attendee at the Dionyssiac ceremony organised
> by Achaikos of
> Peloponnesus yestreen. According to Militiades the
> ceremony began in a restrained
> and simple manner at the beginning, but little by
> little became noisy and
> orgiastic. The enthusiasts were strolling along the
> central dromoi holding the
> phallus in front of them, accompanied by flute,
> drums and forminx, eating the
> raw fleshes of the animals sacrificed to Dionysos.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> Will men ever learn? But what of Januseus? Who
> and/or what is this
> Januseus?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> Let's separate the question into two and deal first
> with: "what Januseus is"
> â?? later [perhaps on the morrow] we will address
> the question of "who
> Januseus is." Januseus is an escaped slave of
> Philemon who met Onesiphoros whilst in
> prison and was set free by him upon his release.
> The good Onesiphoros sent
> Philemon a consignment of fat lambs by way of
> compensation.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> OK - then let's proceed - What exactly is Januseus?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> The existing material body of Januseus is a
> temporary association of bits of
> the Da.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> Meaning that Januseus is a conglomerate of bits of
> the Da surrounded by the
> rest of the Da?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> Well, if we accepted that the THERE [Da] of BEING
> THERE is the material
> world in which the Dasein represented as Januseus
> abides, then Januseus is
> actually constituted of bits of the THERE which he
> has accumulated by absorption
> during his being there in the world as a collection
> of minute portions of the
> Da itself.â?¦
>
> Eutrapelia:
> You mean that physically there is no difference
> between Januseus and the Da
> of the world?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> There is an obvious difference in the way that the
> entity Januseus appears
> when sensed by other sentient creatures when
> compared to themselves or other
> entities of the Da, and there is also a difference
> too in the way that the
> entity Januseus senses his own experience of being
> the individuate Januseus.
> However, as far as the molecular fabric of Januseus'
> body is concerned, if it
> were rendered down, or decomposed to it constituent
> elementals both mineral
> and chemical, they would be found to be no different
> from that which comprised
> the box in which his dust was contained and the
> table upon which the casket
> rested.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> From whence did that which constitutes the pile of
> dust that once was
> Januseus originate?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> From the swirling particulate that constitutes the
> dust clouds of the
> universe - Januseus is a creature of the stars like
> the rest of us animalia.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> How did Januseus accumulate this stardust
> particulate and convert it into
> the corporeal substance that became part of the body
> of that entity which we
> call Januseus?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> Apart from those cells which were initially donated
> by Januseus' parents,
> all the material which Januseus has collected from
> the surrounding Da was
> obtained by consuming food and drinks, initially as
> food and nutriments to be
> burnt as fuel to provide energy, but some of it was
> converted into additional and
> replacement cells and became part of the physical
> structure of Januseus
> himself.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> So Januseus consists of various quantum materials
> picked up along the way in
> the form of food?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> Well,...yes...there are also some hard Asian resin
> fillings in his teeth
> which are parts of Da which Januseus' Chalcedonic
> dentists appropriated and
> stuck inside Januseus' mouth â?? but generally
> speaking...yes...Januseus is a
> collective â?? a macro-community of particulate
> made up of that which forms part of
> the Da and IS THE DA. In that sense Januseus can
> be said to be as much part
> of Da as anything else in the Da which we call the
> world.
> During the various symposiums for example Januseus
> always makes a point of
> homing in and gorging himself upon the tasty
> anaklintra. At the beginning we
> are served a glass of wine mixed with oinomelo and
> also bread. After that the
> dishes of the menu appear, in the right order:
> several appetisers and also
> fruit. Then fresh fish and meat is the last to be
> served. Of these materials
> Januseus consists â?? upon their life-giving
> substances he thrives â?? he is an
> amalgam of the various quantum materials picked up
> along the way in the form
> of food â?? initially at his mother's breast â?? but
> later at the interminable
> feasts and ceremonies with which [being attractive
> and desirable] he fills his
> dissolute life?
>
> Eutrapelia:
> What about Januseus' excretions?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> It goes back to the Da [in a reconstituted form]
> from whence it came.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> When you say: 'Da' what exactly do you mean â?? to
> what do you refer?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> I refer to the material universe.
>
> Eutrapelia:
> But isn't the word Da or There used when we speak of
> a location â?? of an
> object being HERE in this present location; this
> place â?? rather than THERE in
> THAT place over THERE - or in a far country or on a
> far planet?
>
> Taurorhupos:
> The molecular quantum materials and miniature
> forcefields of the universe
> are no respecters of manmade locational notions of
> HERE and THERE. Like the
> Lappish aboriginals of the frozen north they cross
> territorial borders as they
> wish - Our earth is constantly bombarded with
> transient 'foreign' molecules
> from outer space, and bathed in a constant cascade
> of electrons. What formed
>
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