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Onderwerp: Re: anti or antique heidegger?
In a message dated 19/10/2004 16:59:39 GMT Standard Time,
R.B.M.deBakker@xxxxxx writes:
Here 'is' the preying, the nachstellen of a subject, but without, as in
Nietzsche, the obliged reflection.
Jud:
Ooops! When I read this I naturally assumed you were addressing Heidegger's
habit of preying on his colleagues — you know the way he hounded them behind
his back if they were socialists, or were too friendly with Jews {specially
ones called Fraenkel] and reported them to the Gestapo. Then I realised that
you were referring to me preying upon the preyer. I thought it was strange
behaviour from you and was almost relieved to discover it was ME you where
attacking for predation and not the P of N himself.
Well Jud, i was trying to explain that really i did not attack you, insofar
you are what you think you are: the existent entity Jud, who is anyway as
little reachable as other constructs like atoms etc. I just wanted - that is,
you asked for it - to show to you the consequences of your own position re
predication and subjectivity, consequences that undermine completely your
ongoing hate campaign, esp. the foundation of it. The last thing you can
replie is, to hell with all foundation
Rene:
It's just done, and this machination needs the continuing holocaust
Erlebnis for its legitimation.
Jud:
I don't NEED the idea of an ongoing holocaust, it' just an added
availableness thoughtfully provided by the P of N
as a convenient big stick to beat him. If he hadn't been such an idiot and
involved himself with the men in jackboots
there would be no criticism.
You wore a uniform, prob. with boots too, that was far more bloody than
the 1933/34 SA uniform, you pledged allegiance to a country and to leaders that
after just blaming others continued their own filthy game in the Middle East,
that has led up to today's new wars and new humiliations.
You were with guys that shot little boys for stealing their tobacco. Don't come
lecturing then others who were in far more decent circumstances while you're
standing kneedeep in the shit yourself. Or is that the reason....?
If he had just kept stumn and not allowed
himself to get involved [claimed to be lost in his own little a-political world
of the Greek incipience) he's have become the Great hero of western
philosophy, admired by all [even by those who rejected his meaningless
metaphysicalities] Result he is loathed by all — even his supporters acknowledge that he was
a lying turd.
I'll go on bringing the turd home where he belongs. Everything philosophical he brought in
those early days, remained without effect, and the Greeks were to the Germans what they were
for the English or Americans: nice history . As soon as he found out that this revolution
was already spoiled, he quit. And told, quite brave actually, what he thought publicly in
lectures. I'm beginning to doubt your benevolence, dear Jud, for not being able to recognize this
- you're just doing the lies again, but we've already given the mendacity back to those responsible.
In this respect there can be nothing between us, and i've explained why: you're driven again and
again into irrational (and scientifically unsound) assertions, let's call it what it is: slander.
And that's what you show, on this point, and it's quite ugly, and i'll go on advising you the best,
to stop this filth, and ask yourself why you are behaving exactly the way you accuse Heidegger of.
(...)
Rene:
Esp. now that he thinks that the 'demise' of the Heidegger list is his work.
Maybe it would
seem so, for instance if a poll would be held, but one immediately
recognizes the
same mechanism in all polls: the machination of will and widerwill.
Jud:
I don't need to try. It imploded from its own internal combustion. Anthony
and the Dark Stranger left because of you Rene not me.
There are so many varieties of Heideggerianism - it is like trying to coax a
form of unity out of a pack of hyenas fighting over the kill.
It's all right to attack hyena's, but not foxes. (see Hannah Arendt:
Heidegger the fox)
Rene:
Short: one is enabled to see the role of the 'subject' - variously said -
inside
the Gestell (a fully problematic title), its being used: the subject has
become
Bestandstueck, piece of inventory. (and therefore not to be saved: see
below)
Jud :
For me Heidegger has ALWAYS been a Bestandstueck - Ein Pfand in einem Spiel
von Anti-Heidegger Schach,
or convient representative in my kampf against transcendentalism and its
accompanying evils.
We're ALL Bestandstueck. Not because of Heidegger, but because of the technological
character of the world. Heidegger could be a big help in that respect, and you are
merely blackening him for silly personal reasons. Grow up at last, man. It's never
too late.
yours
rene
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