In a message dated 19/10/2004 16:59:39 GMT Standard Time,
R.B.M.deBakker@xxxxxx writes:
Here 'is' the preying, the nachstellen of a subject, but without, as in
Nietzsche, the obliged reflection.
Jud:
Ooops! When I read this I naturally assumed you were addressing Heidegger's
habit of preying on his colleagues — you know the way he hounded them behind
his back if they were socialists, or were too friendly with Jews {specially
ones called Fraenkel] and reported them to the Gestapo. Then I realised that
you were referring to me preying upon the preyer. I thought it was strange
behaviour from you and was almost relieved to discover it was ME you where
attacking for predation and not the P of N himself.
Rene:
It's just done, and this machination needs the continuing holocaust
Erlebnis for its legitimation.
Jud:
I don't NEED the idea of an ongoing holocaust, it' just an added
availableness thoughtfully provided by the P of N
as a convenient big stick to beat him. If he hadn't been such an idiot and
involved himself with the men in jackboots
there would be no criticism. If he had just kept stumn and not allowed
himself to get involved [claimed to be lost in his own little a-political world
of the Greek incipience) he's have become the Great hero of western
philosophy, admired by all [even by those who rejected his meaningless
metaphysicalities] Result he is loathed by all — even his supporters acknowledge that he was
a lying turd.
Rene:
Lastly, i don't see the point of taking offense here, because he so clearly
shows
the inevitability of widerwille, repulsion, for a will that does not really
know what it wants. The intensity of his hatred - not a mere emotional
affect,
but a deeper and clearer passion, as Heidegger explains the difference in
the
treatment of WtP in Nietzsche 1 -, arouses annoyance, sure, but at the same
time offers the occasion of seeing widerwille at work/in reality, to see
that
it is not free, driven.
Jud:
You see this [partly anyway — for of COURSE does not really I know what I
want] but Michael is a bit *hermenuetically challenged* in this department [he
may improve with age?]. In his mind a rejection of Heidegger is a
manifestation of a personal
attack upon the member for Sandwich being an exclusion of everything he
holds dear.
Rene:
There's just the one condition to accept, that knowledge
of will and antiwill is only gainable in oneself. Will only works on will,
and
widerwill on widerwill. - But then, the demise is not one of the list, but
in
those leaving on account of it.
Jud:
This is true enough for you and your fellows in the strange
through-the--looking-glass world you inhabit.
For those whom inhabit the ROOM side of the wardrobe — the REAL world
however, *will and antiwill* is a preserve of the cognoscenti
*Widerwill on widerwill* is the domain of the distorted meretriciousness
that flits across the haunted faces of the little lost boys one can see
behind the thickness of the smoked glass that separates the ontic from the
metaphysical grotesquerie in The Land of Let's Pretend within.
Rene:
Therefore one has to take care with new predications, like my 'Jud is a
racist'.
Jud:
Evidence please. I keep saying - I don't hate some Germans - I hate what
some Germans have done.
Rene:
Instead of attributing a property to a subject, which strictly spoken makes
no
sense anymore in this world of non-things and non-humans and non-truth, what
i
mean by it is precisely the opposite: racism, submission of inferior life
forms,
occupies Jud (the predicate eats the subject), as soon as his common sense
enters
philosophy. Including his entire predication theory.
Jud:
Talk of *properties* is juvenile. *Properties* are fantasies because they
only reside in the human brain as ideas — and do not *reside* in the object to
which *properties are attributed. Thus in London the *property-word *ugly* is
attributed to a woman with the *property* of a huge behind, which sticks out
like a shelf at the rear, whereas amongst the Hottentots of South Africa such
a woman would be attributed with the *property-word* *beautiful* It's just
another example of your relativism — where your group concludes that I have
the *property* of being ad hoministic, and I for my part attribute to myself
the *property* of not being so but rather a cuddly, warm-hearted, handsome
philadelphian. You may say that a rhinoceros with a big rhino-horn stuck in the
centre of its head has the *property* of having a big horn stuck in the
centre of its head - I say *No, the rhinoceros doesn't have the *property* of a
horn stuck in the centre of its head - It has a HORN stuck in the centre of its
head as part of the way it exists. It just exists like that and would exist
like that even if there was not a single human being on the face of the earth
to attribute the *property* of: *a horn stuck in the centre of its head.*
In other words the huge behind and the rhino-horn are NOT *properties* at
all, they are just human words — devices — which help us humans to categorise
and differentiate the entities with which we share the world. The rhinoceros
simply exists with a big horn in the centre of its head and the woman just
exists with a big ass.
Rene:
He thinks to outwit us, or Heidegger, or Hannah Arendt (imperialism+racism),
but no, it's the other way around.
Jud:
No contest. Metaphysicalists are sitting targets. There is no entablature —
no *ground* — just fluff - full of sound and fury signifing nothing.. ;-)
Rene:
What a chance to become honest toward oneself, one should be grateful.
Jud:
Herculean task to set Michael I think — are you sure he'll cope with the
Nominalist harpies pecking at his vitals?
Rene:
Esp. now that he thinks that the 'demise' of the Heidegger list is his work.
Maybe it would
seem so, for instance if a poll would be held, but one immediately
recognizes the
same mechanism in all polls: the machination of will and widerwill.
Jud:
I don't need to try. It imploded from its own internal combustion. Anthony
and the Dark Stranger left because of you Rene not me.
There are so many varieties of Heideggerianism - it is like trying to coax a
form of unity out of a pack of hyenas fighting over the kill.
Rene:
Short: one is enabled to see the role of the 'subject' - variously said -
inside
the Gestell (a fully problematic title), its being used: the subject has
become
Bestandstueck, piece of inventory. (and therefore not to be saved: see
below)
Jud :
For me Heidegger has ALWAYS been a Bestandstueck - Ein Pfand in einem Spiel
von Anti-Heidegger Schach,
or convient representative in my kampf against transcendentalism and its
accompanying evils.
Michael:
In that sense, might it be needful to open up
a discussion concerning the notion of two heideggers, neither the early/late
pair, nor the pre-kehre/post-kehre, but one seeking to pietistically
preserve/recover the metaphysical tradition, the other to
demolish/deconstruct the same? Of course, I do not mean a double
'personality' or any such psychologistical tosh, but something discernible
in the texts as they battle out the future and past of thinking. [In my
planned opera, there shall be two heideggers on stage at times, but that's
the way of drama and not the path of thinking].
Jud:
Hahahah! There won't be enough room on stage for all the Heideggers - better
you devise a Heidegger chorus
but have them all singing from different hymn sheets. You know what I mean -
you could have them all colour-coded - the Catholic fanatical Seminarian
sheet, the Lutheran fanatic sheet - the Nazi fanatic sheet, then the
*theologian* sheet again [in Act 5 - when the Nazis arre defeated] During the
course of the opera, they could shuffle them between them - depending on which
role he was pretending to depict at the time - until the last act, where he is
lowered into the grave, when they all sing from the same hymnsheet - the Nazi
[never-apologised-to-the-end] fanatic one. ;-)
Michael:
I think derrida was most sensitive to these two heideggers and the way they
interwove as texts which
he reperforms thoughout his complex relations (proximity and distance) with
heidegger. Is there a space to discuss this notion without recourse to pulp
and its purveyors?
Jud:
You could try going into a Catholic retreat? I believe the cell-beds have
swans-down mattresses now, and the flagellation whips are made with peacock
feathers dipped in mint sauce?
I think so, yes. The tear would go through all of us: we should be subject
AND Dasein (as possibility).
Everything would depend on how to take the duplicity. One can see suddenly
the complexity of our situation: as long as the leap into Dasein is not
made, there is only (post-)metaphysics to represent it. But metaphyical
thinking cannot think metaphysics, its ground or Wesen, itself. (Otherwise
there never would have been metaphysics) So everything depends on re-thinking
the question "What is metaphysics?", while the what-is-question (ti to on)
is itself a metaphysical start. It would be metaphysics itself (as nihilism)
that holds one tight on the spot. In this repulsive sphere, where one closes
one eye, or loses one leg, in order not to experience the split, words like
being and Dasein lose all that they have possibly in them.
But the worst one can do, is protesting against it, because this missing
belongs to being, which now is nothing but absence (oblivion), but as such an
eminent indication. As long as the staying out is not conceived in its last
consequences, the transition to Dasein cannot be enacted. This would
advocate
demolition, so it seems. But it is to be done with utmost care and
precision,
because one needs metaphysics/nihilism/technology in order to turn against.
Otherwise one enters the postmodern space where everything can be said
indifferently.
Jud:
Do you mean the postmodern space behind the wardrobe again, with the lion
of Messkirch and the witch of Hanover? ;-)
Regards,
Jud
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