whatever else one might say at this sad juncture, Stuart, your problem has
dissolved... more later.
regards to the shortlived all
michaelPeeved
> Dear All,
>
> This is to let you know that in about two weeks I intend to close down the
> heidegger list. This decision is part of a wider set of decisions having
> to do with the present circumstances of the Spoon Collective - which, as you
> probably know, has been running this list.
>
> The Spoon Collective, of which I am the sole surviving founder, has been
> operating continually for over 10 years. Of the 8 people who currently
> constitute it, 3 have been in it basically from the very beginning, and almost
> all the others for almost as long.
>
> When the Spoon Collective was originally created, a crucial aspect of its life
> was our own passionate involvement in the lists we created or took over.
> As vehicles for bringing into mutual contact and confrontation thinking
> people from all over the computerized world - people from astoundingly
> different walks of life and with astoundingly different ways of thinking,
> but with a shared passion for more accurate perception and deeper
understanding
> - these lists seemed to us to present a stupendous potential for evolving
> new modes of thought and new modes of life. And it is essential to note that
> when we were motivated by a thirst for new modes of thought and life, it was
> for _ourselves_ that we wanted them. Our project was not about providing a
> public or academic or political service, discharging a societal duty, or
> providing platforms for this or that political organization or orientation -
> rather, it was about changing life - the life we think and live - right at the
> present moment.
>
> Over the years, however, our relationship with our lists gradually changed,
> and we now find our collective endeavor basically reduced to an indifferent
> performance of a not-excessively-bothersome piece of labor. The reasons for
> this are undoubtedly complex - the first and simplest one, perhaps, being that
> the same group of people has been doing the same thing for 10 years. If our
> goal had been less the stability of existing lists and more the preservation
> of our own passion, we probably could have done better. In any case, we find
> ourselves a bunch of burnt out and apathetic bureaucrats.
>
> I personally find thie prolongation of this situation no longer tolerable or
> sensical. As a result, I have (1) announced that I am quitting the Spoon
> Collective; (2) decided to close down a number of lists that I have been
> responsible for; and (3) declared the end of the Spoon Collective as a
> certain historic formation, and stipulated that the name no longer be used for
> whatever the present members may undertake in the future.
>
> I, of course, cannot judge the value of any particular list from any
> perspective but my own - and neither would I want to. Only each of you can
> decide whether you value this list enough to step in and recreate it somewhere
> else. If any of you wants to do this, I can make available to you a copy
> of the subscription list, a tarred and gzipped copy of the archive, and
> software support for a smooth transition. The present list will stop
operating
> around December 10th.
>
> A number of the other members of Spoon have expressed an interest in either
> continuing their present lists or initiating other collective projects at
> Virginia. We very much hope that no matter what develops, the Spoon archives,
> which, in large part, constitute an eminently useful and fascinating resource,
> can continue to be housed in their present location. In addition, a copy
> of the archives is being installed at the domain driftline.org, where they
> will soon be accessible over the Web. If anybody would like to house
> additional copies of the full or individual archives elsewhere, this would
> of course increase the goodness.
>
>
> Yours,
> -malgosia
>
>
> --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
>
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dissolved... more later.
regards to the shortlived all
michaelPeeved
> Dear All,
>
> This is to let you know that in about two weeks I intend to close down the
> heidegger list. This decision is part of a wider set of decisions having
> to do with the present circumstances of the Spoon Collective - which, as you
> probably know, has been running this list.
>
> The Spoon Collective, of which I am the sole surviving founder, has been
> operating continually for over 10 years. Of the 8 people who currently
> constitute it, 3 have been in it basically from the very beginning, and almost
> all the others for almost as long.
>
> When the Spoon Collective was originally created, a crucial aspect of its life
> was our own passionate involvement in the lists we created or took over.
> As vehicles for bringing into mutual contact and confrontation thinking
> people from all over the computerized world - people from astoundingly
> different walks of life and with astoundingly different ways of thinking,
> but with a shared passion for more accurate perception and deeper
understanding
> - these lists seemed to us to present a stupendous potential for evolving
> new modes of thought and new modes of life. And it is essential to note that
> when we were motivated by a thirst for new modes of thought and life, it was
> for _ourselves_ that we wanted them. Our project was not about providing a
> public or academic or political service, discharging a societal duty, or
> providing platforms for this or that political organization or orientation -
> rather, it was about changing life - the life we think and live - right at the
> present moment.
>
> Over the years, however, our relationship with our lists gradually changed,
> and we now find our collective endeavor basically reduced to an indifferent
> performance of a not-excessively-bothersome piece of labor. The reasons for
> this are undoubtedly complex - the first and simplest one, perhaps, being that
> the same group of people has been doing the same thing for 10 years. If our
> goal had been less the stability of existing lists and more the preservation
> of our own passion, we probably could have done better. In any case, we find
> ourselves a bunch of burnt out and apathetic bureaucrats.
>
> I personally find thie prolongation of this situation no longer tolerable or
> sensical. As a result, I have (1) announced that I am quitting the Spoon
> Collective; (2) decided to close down a number of lists that I have been
> responsible for; and (3) declared the end of the Spoon Collective as a
> certain historic formation, and stipulated that the name no longer be used for
> whatever the present members may undertake in the future.
>
> I, of course, cannot judge the value of any particular list from any
> perspective but my own - and neither would I want to. Only each of you can
> decide whether you value this list enough to step in and recreate it somewhere
> else. If any of you wants to do this, I can make available to you a copy
> of the subscription list, a tarred and gzipped copy of the archive, and
> software support for a smooth transition. The present list will stop
operating
> around December 10th.
>
> A number of the other members of Spoon have expressed an interest in either
> continuing their present lists or initiating other collective projects at
> Virginia. We very much hope that no matter what develops, the Spoon archives,
> which, in large part, constitute an eminently useful and fascinating resource,
> can continue to be housed in their present location. In addition, a copy
> of the archives is being installed at the domain driftline.org, where they
> will soon be accessible over the Web. If anybody would like to house
> additional copies of the full or individual archives elsewhere, this would
> of course increase the goodness.
>
>
> Yours,
> -malgosia
>
>
> --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
>
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