Hi Ruth
sounds alluring...I'm all ears...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruth Chandler" <R.Chandler@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, 21. July. 2000 03:02
Subject: Re: "speaking as if castration doesn't exist!"
> hi Ja'far
> might it be worth considering an account expereienced and active in
memory
> ( a second immemorial) that overlays the first immemorial of carnal birth?
> not a simple disavowal but an active re-membering and dissipation of
> Ariadnes ears? how else can a radical fissure occur between the time of
> retrogression and the compulsion to repeat and a future active
understanding
> of the event?
> Ruth.C
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> >>> Ja'far Railton <jrailton@xxxxxxxxxx> 07/20 12:57 pm >>>
> S'il vroummmm plait:
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> Castration: (could be) the event, experienced (in memory) as the (more or
> less violent) dismemberment which inaugurates forced entry into the
symbolic
> realm of order-words, where the thing is absent and therefore brutally
> represented, the body of flying signifiers marking out the space of the
now
> fragmented body; the loss of an imagined or imaginary plenitude (for which
> one must atone); a rupture, severing the fusional connection to the full
> body of the mother -- which is itself an extension of the partial object
> (breast) and is also, incidentally, projected onto the father; OR, the
> dissolution of the infant-mother BwO [?].
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> ...and then the father gets the blame as he was seen acting suspiciously
at
> the scene of the crime...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vroummmm" <vroummmm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: 19 July 2000 15:39
> Subject: RE: "speaking as if castration doesn't exist!"
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> > Anyway, I just want to suggest that some weird things happen when
> castration
> > gets metaphorized
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> > Dear Chris,
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> > Could you explain me: I have never read Freud or Laing, or Lacan etc.,
so
> > could you tell me, when they are talking castration, they are talking
like
> > about the mares and the stallions you said, people, for organization
> reasons,
> > actually cut (with scissors) the penis of the animal. I d appreciate
your
> > answer. Thanks,
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> > Cecile R.E.R.
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sounds alluring...I'm all ears...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruth Chandler" <R.Chandler@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, 21. July. 2000 03:02
Subject: Re: "speaking as if castration doesn't exist!"
> hi Ja'far
> might it be worth considering an account expereienced and active in
memory
> ( a second immemorial) that overlays the first immemorial of carnal birth?
> not a simple disavowal but an active re-membering and dissipation of
> Ariadnes ears? how else can a radical fissure occur between the time of
> retrogression and the compulsion to repeat and a future active
understanding
> of the event?
> Ruth.C
>
> >>> Ja'far Railton <jrailton@xxxxxxxxxx> 07/20 12:57 pm >>>
> S'il vroummmm plait:
>
> Castration: (could be) the event, experienced (in memory) as the (more or
> less violent) dismemberment which inaugurates forced entry into the
symbolic
> realm of order-words, where the thing is absent and therefore brutally
> represented, the body of flying signifiers marking out the space of the
now
> fragmented body; the loss of an imagined or imaginary plenitude (for which
> one must atone); a rupture, severing the fusional connection to the full
> body of the mother -- which is itself an extension of the partial object
> (breast) and is also, incidentally, projected onto the father; OR, the
> dissolution of the infant-mother BwO [?].
>
> ...and then the father gets the blame as he was seen acting suspiciously
at
> the scene of the crime...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vroummmm" <vroummmm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: 19 July 2000 15:39
> Subject: RE: "speaking as if castration doesn't exist!"
>
>
> > Anyway, I just want to suggest that some weird things happen when
> castration
> > gets metaphorized
> >
> > Dear Chris,
> >
> > Could you explain me: I have never read Freud or Laing, or Lacan etc.,
so
> > could you tell me, when they are talking castration, they are talking
like
> > about the mares and the stallions you said, people, for organization
> reasons,
> > actually cut (with scissors) the penis of the animal. I d appreciate
your
> > answer. Thanks,
> >
> > Cecile R.E.R.
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