> Absendedatum: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:11:18 GMT
> An: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Von: pennamacoor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Michael D. Pennamacoor)
> Betreff: cybernetical difference
> Antworten an: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
this is worth thinking about... Michael! My name is Rafael, I am a
fried of Michael (the other one, Eldred) and work at a Library and
Information Science School in Stuttgart. I teach also philosophy at
Stuttgart University (for more details see:
http://machno.hbi.stuttgart.de/~capurro.
How to re-think (well, or to think!) the concept of kybernetes in a
non-metaphysical horizon. Shepherd is for me too near to biblical
allegories... and to Romanticism. I like the connection between
hermeneutics and hermen a u tics (!) (or the idea of an artificial
hermeneutics). I believe that the Sinn von Sein today is
computability (Esse is computari).
rafael
> On 8 July 1996 Jan Straathof wrote:
>
> >On 8 July 1996 Michael Eldred wrote:
> >
> >--------snip-----------
> >
> >>A shepherd is not a technician, does not bring forth into
> >>the clearing of beyng but instead protects the clearing in which beings as
> >>such
> >>can appear.
> >
> >although ?
> >Isn't it plausible to look at the unity of "the sheepdog & the herd" as a
> >cybernetic system, completely dependent on the guidance of the shephart ?
> >(the shepherd as the artist of Mitsein)
>
> This interesting observation brings us into the fold of the un-folding of
> the question of the meaning of techne with particular re-spect to current
> and ancient under-standings of the meanings of cybernetics. In the modern
> sense, cybernetics and its progeny - computer science, arty-ficial
> intelligentsia, the net... has to do with systematic control and
> communication in living beings - them selves seen as (examples of) control
> and communication systems. Thus cybernetics and its progeny embues the
> animal (and in particular, the human animal) with the 'spirit' of the
> control system that functions through communication (with its
> others-than-it-selves and intra-entity-wise with it self as
> parts-of-it-self-as-a-whole). To cut this short, to snip, such a 'spirit'
> is that of the techno-logical view of techne and logos and continues the
> notion of the human as the control-freak, the button-pushing lip-smacking
> dominating animale rationale who has wiped the nietzschean horizon away
> where all are falling...
>
> A short geo-logical time ago, kubernetes meant steersman, helmsman, guide.
> In some sense the 'system' of sheepdog&herd is guided/steered by the
> shepherd, but as a 'system' it is geared to maximising or optimising some
> end/goal/purpose that can be max'd or opt'd. (The metaphor of?) dasein as
> the shepherd of Being that protects the clearing for the be-ing of beings
> is surely not geared to some kind of maximising (of what?); in stead I want
> to suggest this non-image is not geared at all. This techne, this kuber,
> may well be constrained, horizoned but is not 'out-for' (although it is
> 'out-of-it') control but for opening (up clearings) not
> in-order-to-do-this-or-that. You might say it is the provision of access
> (the path is formed by walking it - techne as responding, not making).
> Shepherding (of Being) as kubernetes as Being- service-provision, opening
> co-nections... This is silly. But we should think techne in the dark light
> of its be-coming as the cyber-X (insert your favourite value for X) - it
> does seem to me that the cybernetic view of kubernetes (the technological
> view of techne) is an opposite of opening-clearing: it un-dis-closes
> through control of means-ends. The light that darkens.
>
> Jan's thought perhaps should lead us to think the re-storation, the
> re-membering, the re-clamation of kubernetes (the current) with kubernetes
> (the ancient) as our guide and see - what gives...
>
> Bye
>
> MP
>
>
>
>
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> An: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Von: pennamacoor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Michael D. Pennamacoor)
> Betreff: cybernetical difference
> Antworten an: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
this is worth thinking about... Michael! My name is Rafael, I am a
fried of Michael (the other one, Eldred) and work at a Library and
Information Science School in Stuttgart. I teach also philosophy at
Stuttgart University (for more details see:
http://machno.hbi.stuttgart.de/~capurro.
How to re-think (well, or to think!) the concept of kybernetes in a
non-metaphysical horizon. Shepherd is for me too near to biblical
allegories... and to Romanticism. I like the connection between
hermeneutics and hermen a u tics (!) (or the idea of an artificial
hermeneutics). I believe that the Sinn von Sein today is
computability (Esse is computari).
rafael
> On 8 July 1996 Jan Straathof wrote:
>
> >On 8 July 1996 Michael Eldred wrote:
> >
> >--------snip-----------
> >
> >>A shepherd is not a technician, does not bring forth into
> >>the clearing of beyng but instead protects the clearing in which beings as
> >>such
> >>can appear.
> >
> >although ?
> >Isn't it plausible to look at the unity of "the sheepdog & the herd" as a
> >cybernetic system, completely dependent on the guidance of the shephart ?
> >(the shepherd as the artist of Mitsein)
>
> This interesting observation brings us into the fold of the un-folding of
> the question of the meaning of techne with particular re-spect to current
> and ancient under-standings of the meanings of cybernetics. In the modern
> sense, cybernetics and its progeny - computer science, arty-ficial
> intelligentsia, the net... has to do with systematic control and
> communication in living beings - them selves seen as (examples of) control
> and communication systems. Thus cybernetics and its progeny embues the
> animal (and in particular, the human animal) with the 'spirit' of the
> control system that functions through communication (with its
> others-than-it-selves and intra-entity-wise with it self as
> parts-of-it-self-as-a-whole). To cut this short, to snip, such a 'spirit'
> is that of the techno-logical view of techne and logos and continues the
> notion of the human as the control-freak, the button-pushing lip-smacking
> dominating animale rationale who has wiped the nietzschean horizon away
> where all are falling...
>
> A short geo-logical time ago, kubernetes meant steersman, helmsman, guide.
> In some sense the 'system' of sheepdog&herd is guided/steered by the
> shepherd, but as a 'system' it is geared to maximising or optimising some
> end/goal/purpose that can be max'd or opt'd. (The metaphor of?) dasein as
> the shepherd of Being that protects the clearing for the be-ing of beings
> is surely not geared to some kind of maximising (of what?); in stead I want
> to suggest this non-image is not geared at all. This techne, this kuber,
> may well be constrained, horizoned but is not 'out-for' (although it is
> 'out-of-it') control but for opening (up clearings) not
> in-order-to-do-this-or-that. You might say it is the provision of access
> (the path is formed by walking it - techne as responding, not making).
> Shepherding (of Being) as kubernetes as Being- service-provision, opening
> co-nections... This is silly. But we should think techne in the dark light
> of its be-coming as the cyber-X (insert your favourite value for X) - it
> does seem to me that the cybernetic view of kubernetes (the technological
> view of techne) is an opposite of opening-clearing: it un-dis-closes
> through control of means-ends. The light that darkens.
>
> Jan's thought perhaps should lead us to think the re-storation, the
> re-membering, the re-clamation of kubernetes (the current) with kubernetes
> (the ancient) as our guide and see - what gives...
>
> Bye
>
> MP
>
>
>
>
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