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Iain
Thank you for your post - I had been looking forward to it. If I have =
understood you correctly, I concur that we seem in broad agreement, =
which makes the disagreements so much more interesting!
I think I agree with your assessment of van Buren. What interests me =
most of all in this particular revision of American Heidegger =
scholarship (along with people like Kisiel) is that we appear to have =
moved to a position where the "real" Heidegger is his early + late =
works, thereby sidestepping Sein und Zeit, the Grundprobleme der =
Phaenomenologie, the Kant book and the lectures on Leibniz (and even the =
notorious Einfuehrung in die Metaphysik). This simply will not do! It =
is Karl Loewith's argument against the later Heidegger reversed, for it =
"de-nazifies" Heidegger by demonising the very work which he appears to =
be in dialogue with all his life - Sein und Zeit. A far stronger case =
than has yet been made must be advanced to show that either there is a =
bent towards Nazism in Sein und Zeit, or that when in the later works =
Heidegger cites Sein und Zeit or alludes to it, he is either lying or =
deliberately misinterpreting his own work (hence the reference to =
Loewith, who priveleged "existence philosophy" over what he did not like =
in Heidegger's later work, and so invented the notion of the turn in =
order to satisfy the possibility that Heidegger had in some sense =
"betrayed" himself). I would contend (strongly) that there is enough =
evidence in the fabric of the language of Sein und Zeit itself to =
suggest that Heidegger is always reading and re-reading, not misreading =
his own work. As for the discussion about Heidegger the man versus =
Heidegger's works, well I take your point, whilst also allowing the work =
to transcend the ambiguity of the man - in the sense that ambiguity more =
properly belongs to our lives and we should at least be protected from =
the forensic scalpels of those "scholars" who would seek to extrapolate =
the meaning of thought from a psychologising inference based upon their =
reading of "events". To take a different line seems to me to end up =
with the kind of biographical butchery indulged in by people like Ott.
To quote you - 'As for your extrapolating "ways not way" from "ways not =
works," I find this move dubious.' I defy you to extrapolate "way" from =
its plural "ways" as a clear and intended inference *over against* the =
immediate meaning in the single line of German at the beginning of the =
Gesamtausgabe. Heidegger has it in the plural there, and my use of it =
is no extrapolation, but rather evidence of my counter-claim to your use =
of the term. Where is the dubiety?
"Heidegger's was the surely the quest for being." Here I have to sound =
a strong note of caution. Was the pursuit of the Seinsfrage a "quest" - =
which rather butresses those commentators who have accused Heidegger of =
mysticism or gnosticism. Surely for Heidegger - and perhaps even for =
others, like Husserl - (and a very great deal could be said here indeed) =
the Seinsfrage announces itself, later the "advent" of being breaks in =
upon Dasein for itself. "Being as such" cannot be "quested" =
(grasped/comprehended - "be-grifft")? Either you are being imprecise =
here, or you are reading Heidegger's work as some kind of personal =
odyssey. Might this be why you repeat your claim to a "way" not "ways"? =
As for the "turn" I do not accept any discussion of it other than =
Heidegger's own - if you want to know why (and I believe myself to have =
good reason) you'll have to wait till I can get the case into print. If =
I am honest, I wonder what the "radical
historicization of ontology" really is. Might it not just be a =
high-faluting name for the history of being? In which case, where does =
the Kehre stand (between your name and the naming of the Seinsgeschichte =
as such by Heidegger).
I am very interested in what you say about Heidegger's reading of Marx, =
and its connection with Parmenides, although I am now at the limit of my =
competence (not having read the 1973 work you cited in your first post). =
I would like to know more.
All this is somewhat briefer than I would like, but I am rather pressed. =
Thank you, once again I have enjoyed our discussion.
Laurence.
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