my point re RTI in this or discom case is only that
purposes for which information is sought need to be
distinguished. insufficient secondary data seriously
hampers courses at school of planning. this is not so
much about students right to info as about every one's
responsibility to inform students. especially in view
of the activist / glamorous / controversy connotations
of use of RTI, i am acutely uncomfortable about
accessing info for institutional academic purposes via
RTI.
--- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Prashant, Subhadeep,
>
> If the info u seek is normal uncontroversial
> statistical stuff, simply go down to that office
> again
> and speak very politely to the peon(s) outside the
> big
> boss's office. He will direct you to the right
> person
> who will help you. Research the website of this
> department first, very often a lot of valuable stuff
> is tucked away behind deep links. Act knowledgeable
> and brazen your way through. You will be surprised
> how
> often I extract information from even the most
> notoriously secretive departments like this and I am
> invariably asked "Sir which Department are you
> from?"
> for which a suitably vague and non-committal
> response
> is called for - like "Planning Department". Behave
> like the Inspector General.
>
> Gita, Re: RTI and electricity data from Private
> players etc, the new Central Act squarely addresses
> this problem now. It's upto us responsible people to
> now use this ACT with all its imperfections.
>
> BTW: Was out of town for a few days, how come
> there's
> nothing here about SC DMP remarks and SC Save Yamuna
> Plan? Or do the have the clowns have to learn new
> jokes?
>
> Sarbajit Roy
>
> --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Dear Prashant, Subhadeep,
> > Regardless of whether or not you feel up to
> > exploring
> > RTI procedures, please ask SPA authorities to
> write
> > to
> > Delhi Govt and to concerned central ministries for
> > separate procedure for access to information for
> > purposes of studio-related work.
> > You could also ask someone in faculty to take up
> the
> > impact on this of changing regimes (eg, students
> > have
> > been having trouble getting electricity
> > infrastructure
> > information since privatization). SPA could even
> > provide inputs to authorities for prioritising
> what
> > needs to be available on their websites in spirit
> of
> > RTI w/o requiring proceeding by its letter.
> > For the present studio-exercise, I suggest you
> > request
> > your HoD or Dean to call up the deptts that you
> have
> > had difficulties with and also give you a letter
> of
> > introduction for others that you will be visiting.
> > all the best,
> > Gita
> >
> >
> > --- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Prashant, (and mpisg list)
> > >
> > > Sorry , I was out of delhi (away from the net)
> and
> > > cudnt reply earlier.
> > >
> > > Hi, with ref yr email below:-
> > >
> > > 1) It seems that DHS Karkadoom is processing
> your
> > > information as an application in Form A under
> the
> > > Delhi Right to Information Act 2002. YOU SHOULD
> > > CONSIDER YOURSELF VERY LUCKY THAT THEY HAVE
> > PROPERLY
> > > ADVISED YOU TO APPLY IN FORM A.
> > >
> > > 2) The alternative would be to go to the High
> > Court
> > > or
> > > some other court to get the information under a
> > > court
> > > order.
> > >
> > > 3) If the information sought is routine
> > information
> > > you will normally receive the information in 15
> > > days.
> > >
> > > 4) If the information is tricky or controversial
> > you
> > > will not receive it all. Trust me ;-)
> > >
> > > 5) As per an office-order from the
> > > Ministry/Department
> > > of Administrative Reform,the fee of Rs. 25
> (WHICH
> > > YOU
> > > ARE UNNECCESARILY CRIBBING ABOUT) entitles you
> to
> > > ask
> > > 8 questions and 8 sub questions per question -->
> > > This
> > > effectively means 72 questions. However this is
> > not
> > > absolute and you can ask even 1000 questions for
> > > Rs.25.
> > >
> > > 6) I hope that you have framed nice short and
> > > specific
> > > questions which can be answered in YES/NO/MAYBE
> > > format.
> > >
> > > 7) If you dont want to pay Rs.5 per A4 sheet you
> > can
> > > adopt the following strategy.
> > >
> > > a) Ask to be allowed to inspect (this means to
> > view
> > > and take notes from) all the documents you
> > require.
> > > You can obtain the particular sheets of interest
> > to
> > > you by paying Rs.5 (this is a good device to
> > getting
> > > scammed by officers who will dump a whole load
> of
> > > garbage on you at Rs.5 per page)
> > >
> > > b) Frame the questions in a way that the answer
> is
> > > contained in the reply provided to you by the
> > > Competent Authority. This is FREE.
> > >
> > > 8) I think you have been misinformed that
> > > confidential
> > > data cannot be given. Only a limited set of
> > > information is excluded from purview of the ACT,
> > and
> > > these are specified in the ACT itself (section
> > 6??)
> > > and conform to the Constitutional exclusions
> under
> > > Article 19.
> > >
> > > 9) Make sure that that the information you seek
> > > directly pertains to the Department of the
> > Competent
> > > Authority and the Department is "privy" to such
> > > information.
> > >
> > > 10) If you are working to a deadline, file a new
> > > application in Form A keeping my advice in mind.
> > >
> > > ANY FURTHER HELP CONTACT ME, I'm interested to
> > know
> > > how your aplication works out finally.
> > >
> > > Sarbajit Roy
> > >
> > > --- prashant bariar <p_bariar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > It's Prashant Kumar from School of Planning
> and
> > > > Architecture, New Delhi.
> > > >
> > > > I am writing this mail to share the
> interesting
> > > > thing
> > > > which myself and my group mate Subhadeep Paul,
> > > have
> > > > seen during the data collection process for
> the
> > > > ongoing study of the Area Development Plan for
> > > Zone
> > > > C
> > > > of Delhi.
> > > >
> > > > We were searching for the data regarding the
> > > social
> > > > infrastructure status of that area. For that
> we
> > > went
> > > > to the office of the Directorate of Health
> > > Services
> > > > (DHS), at Karkardoma, to collect some data
> > > regarding
>
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purposes for which information is sought need to be
distinguished. insufficient secondary data seriously
hampers courses at school of planning. this is not so
much about students right to info as about every one's
responsibility to inform students. especially in view
of the activist / glamorous / controversy connotations
of use of RTI, i am acutely uncomfortable about
accessing info for institutional academic purposes via
RTI.
--- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Prashant, Subhadeep,
>
> If the info u seek is normal uncontroversial
> statistical stuff, simply go down to that office
> again
> and speak very politely to the peon(s) outside the
> big
> boss's office. He will direct you to the right
> person
> who will help you. Research the website of this
> department first, very often a lot of valuable stuff
> is tucked away behind deep links. Act knowledgeable
> and brazen your way through. You will be surprised
> how
> often I extract information from even the most
> notoriously secretive departments like this and I am
> invariably asked "Sir which Department are you
> from?"
> for which a suitably vague and non-committal
> response
> is called for - like "Planning Department". Behave
> like the Inspector General.
>
> Gita, Re: RTI and electricity data from Private
> players etc, the new Central Act squarely addresses
> this problem now. It's upto us responsible people to
> now use this ACT with all its imperfections.
>
> BTW: Was out of town for a few days, how come
> there's
> nothing here about SC DMP remarks and SC Save Yamuna
> Plan? Or do the have the clowns have to learn new
> jokes?
>
> Sarbajit Roy
>
> --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Dear Prashant, Subhadeep,
> > Regardless of whether or not you feel up to
> > exploring
> > RTI procedures, please ask SPA authorities to
> write
> > to
> > Delhi Govt and to concerned central ministries for
> > separate procedure for access to information for
> > purposes of studio-related work.
> > You could also ask someone in faculty to take up
> the
> > impact on this of changing regimes (eg, students
> > have
> > been having trouble getting electricity
> > infrastructure
> > information since privatization). SPA could even
> > provide inputs to authorities for prioritising
> what
> > needs to be available on their websites in spirit
> of
> > RTI w/o requiring proceeding by its letter.
> > For the present studio-exercise, I suggest you
> > request
> > your HoD or Dean to call up the deptts that you
> have
> > had difficulties with and also give you a letter
> of
> > introduction for others that you will be visiting.
> > all the best,
> > Gita
> >
> >
> > --- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Prashant, (and mpisg list)
> > >
> > > Sorry , I was out of delhi (away from the net)
> and
> > > cudnt reply earlier.
> > >
> > > Hi, with ref yr email below:-
> > >
> > > 1) It seems that DHS Karkadoom is processing
> your
> > > information as an application in Form A under
> the
> > > Delhi Right to Information Act 2002. YOU SHOULD
> > > CONSIDER YOURSELF VERY LUCKY THAT THEY HAVE
> > PROPERLY
> > > ADVISED YOU TO APPLY IN FORM A.
> > >
> > > 2) The alternative would be to go to the High
> > Court
> > > or
> > > some other court to get the information under a
> > > court
> > > order.
> > >
> > > 3) If the information sought is routine
> > information
> > > you will normally receive the information in 15
> > > days.
> > >
> > > 4) If the information is tricky or controversial
> > you
> > > will not receive it all. Trust me ;-)
> > >
> > > 5) As per an office-order from the
> > > Ministry/Department
> > > of Administrative Reform,the fee of Rs. 25
> (WHICH
> > > YOU
> > > ARE UNNECCESARILY CRIBBING ABOUT) entitles you
> to
> > > ask
> > > 8 questions and 8 sub questions per question -->
> > > This
> > > effectively means 72 questions. However this is
> > not
> > > absolute and you can ask even 1000 questions for
> > > Rs.25.
> > >
> > > 6) I hope that you have framed nice short and
> > > specific
> > > questions which can be answered in YES/NO/MAYBE
> > > format.
> > >
> > > 7) If you dont want to pay Rs.5 per A4 sheet you
> > can
> > > adopt the following strategy.
> > >
> > > a) Ask to be allowed to inspect (this means to
> > view
> > > and take notes from) all the documents you
> > require.
> > > You can obtain the particular sheets of interest
> > to
> > > you by paying Rs.5 (this is a good device to
> > getting
> > > scammed by officers who will dump a whole load
> of
> > > garbage on you at Rs.5 per page)
> > >
> > > b) Frame the questions in a way that the answer
> is
> > > contained in the reply provided to you by the
> > > Competent Authority. This is FREE.
> > >
> > > 8) I think you have been misinformed that
> > > confidential
> > > data cannot be given. Only a limited set of
> > > information is excluded from purview of the ACT,
> > and
> > > these are specified in the ACT itself (section
> > 6??)
> > > and conform to the Constitutional exclusions
> under
> > > Article 19.
> > >
> > > 9) Make sure that that the information you seek
> > > directly pertains to the Department of the
> > Competent
> > > Authority and the Department is "privy" to such
> > > information.
> > >
> > > 10) If you are working to a deadline, file a new
> > > application in Form A keeping my advice in mind.
> > >
> > > ANY FURTHER HELP CONTACT ME, I'm interested to
> > know
> > > how your aplication works out finally.
> > >
> > > Sarbajit Roy
> > >
> > > --- prashant bariar <p_bariar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > It's Prashant Kumar from School of Planning
> and
> > > > Architecture, New Delhi.
> > > >
> > > > I am writing this mail to share the
> interesting
> > > > thing
> > > > which myself and my group mate Subhadeep Paul,
> > > have
> > > > seen during the data collection process for
> the
> > > > ongoing study of the Area Development Plan for
> > > Zone
> > > > C
> > > > of Delhi.
> > > >
> > > > We were searching for the data regarding the
> > > social
> > > > infrastructure status of that area. For that
> we
> > > went
> > > > to the office of the Directorate of Health
> > > Services
> > > > (DHS), at Karkardoma, to collect some data
> > > regarding
>
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