Hi Poonam (and Gita)
This is just a brief riposte to this post and Gita's
previous post on same subject.
It seems to me that what we are asking for is that
students of professional course should be given
privileges from the institutions operating in that
field. (And that's OK by me)
The flip side is:- this is probably why your planning
students get info out of dda (which dda would never
give to the average bloke like me) whereas they got
shafted when they went to DHS and were told to wait in
line like everyone else.
Gita's other comments on RTI are going to get a long
post from me.
Sarbajit
--- poonam prakash
<pprakash.spafaculty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I too am uncomfortable with students being asked to
> get information through
> RTI. Some of the information needed was available
> on the net. For the rest
> and considering this is a recurrent requirement
> every semester for one area
> or another in Delhi,I have discussed this within my
> department and am taking
> this up with the School Authorities for persual
> with Delhi Govt. and other
> organisations so that it can resolved
> institutionally.
>
> poonam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gita Dewan Verma" <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Master plan issues in media"
> <mpisgmedia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [mpisgmedia] rules of data collection
> for your study
>
>
> > not quite converging. i think there are
> fundamental
> > flaws in RTI approach to 'transparency' which make
> it
> > prone to becoming instrument for spamming the
> system
> > (like PIL is slipping into becoming instrument of
> > things contrary to its intended purposes).
> >
> > RTI may be here to stay, but it is not mandatory!
> we
> > could use the fact that it exists as proof of
> > commitment to transparency to shore up other
> access to
> > info options if we prefer those, also so they do
> not
> > atrophy in the shadow of RTI.
> >
> > a logical discussion of student info needs at SPA
> > might not lead to the NAC drafted sub-clause of
> > sub-section at all and there is nothing that
> prevents
> > institutions from mutually agreeing other regimes
> for
> > info access. nor is there any basis for assumption
> of
> > adversarial starting point just because some
> > RTI-smitten chap in a gnctd that has lost all its
> > bearings in prolonged extra-constitutional
> fashionable
> > gvnnce drift, asked some students to fill Form-A!
> dda
> > for instance is rather generous with info and time
> to
> > students and so are several other agencies. i
> would
> > much rather we build on those friendly
> foundations.
> >
> > --- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > So parallel lines are converging!
> > >
> > > Section 4(1)(b)(xiii) particulars of recipients
> of
> > > concessions, permits or authorisations granted
> by
> > > it;
> > > of the RTI ACT includes this already ... just
> have
> > > to
> > > fight.
> > >
> > > Otherwise the RT ACT 2005 is a horribly bad
> piece of
> > > legislation rammed through by the idiots at the
> NAC
> > > who will no doubt be suitably rewarded for
> having
> > > sold
> > > out by being appointed Chief or Information
> > > Commissioners.
> > >
> > > The Delhi RTI Act is so much better, and i am
> > > informed
> > > that the Maharashtra one was quite effective
> too.
> > >
> > > Sarbajit
> > >
> > > --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just as a student ought not to crib that he
> is
> > > > > required to "book" a reference journal from
> his
> > > > > library, similarly a normal waiting period
> of 15
> > > > > days
> > > > > is not too bad for any formal process.
> > > >
> > > > > Insofar as students are concerned, I think
> > > > > concessional photocopying charges could be
> > > > > considered
> > > >
> > > > ---------
> > > > Prashant, Subhadeep, others at SPA
> > > >
> > > > do persuade SPA authorities to raise such
> points.
> > > > unless all types of info-users raise their
> issues,
> > > > normative principles for RTI for different
> > > purposes
> > > > will not evolve.
> > > >
> > > > gita
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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This is just a brief riposte to this post and Gita's
previous post on same subject.
It seems to me that what we are asking for is that
students of professional course should be given
privileges from the institutions operating in that
field. (And that's OK by me)
The flip side is:- this is probably why your planning
students get info out of dda (which dda would never
give to the average bloke like me) whereas they got
shafted when they went to DHS and were told to wait in
line like everyone else.
Gita's other comments on RTI are going to get a long
post from me.
Sarbajit
--- poonam prakash
<pprakash.spafaculty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I too am uncomfortable with students being asked to
> get information through
> RTI. Some of the information needed was available
> on the net. For the rest
> and considering this is a recurrent requirement
> every semester for one area
> or another in Delhi,I have discussed this within my
> department and am taking
> this up with the School Authorities for persual
> with Delhi Govt. and other
> organisations so that it can resolved
> institutionally.
>
> poonam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gita Dewan Verma" <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Master plan issues in media"
> <mpisgmedia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [mpisgmedia] rules of data collection
> for your study
>
>
> > not quite converging. i think there are
> fundamental
> > flaws in RTI approach to 'transparency' which make
> it
> > prone to becoming instrument for spamming the
> system
> > (like PIL is slipping into becoming instrument of
> > things contrary to its intended purposes).
> >
> > RTI may be here to stay, but it is not mandatory!
> we
> > could use the fact that it exists as proof of
> > commitment to transparency to shore up other
> access to
> > info options if we prefer those, also so they do
> not
> > atrophy in the shadow of RTI.
> >
> > a logical discussion of student info needs at SPA
> > might not lead to the NAC drafted sub-clause of
> > sub-section at all and there is nothing that
> prevents
> > institutions from mutually agreeing other regimes
> for
> > info access. nor is there any basis for assumption
> of
> > adversarial starting point just because some
> > RTI-smitten chap in a gnctd that has lost all its
> > bearings in prolonged extra-constitutional
> fashionable
> > gvnnce drift, asked some students to fill Form-A!
> dda
> > for instance is rather generous with info and time
> to
> > students and so are several other agencies. i
> would
> > much rather we build on those friendly
> foundations.
> >
> > --- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > So parallel lines are converging!
> > >
> > > Section 4(1)(b)(xiii) particulars of recipients
> of
> > > concessions, permits or authorisations granted
> by
> > > it;
> > > of the RTI ACT includes this already ... just
> have
> > > to
> > > fight.
> > >
> > > Otherwise the RT ACT 2005 is a horribly bad
> piece of
> > > legislation rammed through by the idiots at the
> NAC
> > > who will no doubt be suitably rewarded for
> having
> > > sold
> > > out by being appointed Chief or Information
> > > Commissioners.
> > >
> > > The Delhi RTI Act is so much better, and i am
> > > informed
> > > that the Maharashtra one was quite effective
> too.
> > >
> > > Sarbajit
> > >
> > > --- Gita Dewan Verma <mpisgplanner@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- sarbajit roy <sroy1947@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just as a student ought not to crib that he
> is
> > > > > required to "book" a reference journal from
> his
> > > > > library, similarly a normal waiting period
> of 15
> > > > > days
> > > > > is not too bad for any formal process.
> > > >
> > > > > Insofar as students are concerned, I think
> > > > > concessional photocopying charges could be
> > > > > considered
> > > >
> > > > ---------
> > > > Prashant, Subhadeep, others at SPA
> > > >
> > > > do persuade SPA authorities to raise such
> points.
> > > > unless all types of info-users raise their
> issues,
> > > > normative principles for RTI for different
> > > purposes
> > > > will not evolve.
> > > >
> > > > gita
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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